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Post by Alexrd on Aug 24, 2019 11:11:32 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Aug 24, 2019 12:26:43 GMT
Wonderful caps, Alex!!! I've also watched bits of the prequels in black and white before. It's been a while, but I feel that AOTC and ROTS probably benefit from the approach more. Of course, all the films thrive on their symphonic, enrapturing colour palettes, but TPM is desperate to hit you in the face with its vibrant story book hues, so probably loses a bit more, overall, in the black and white "format". That and it's a more innocent slice of the galaxy, while AOTC and ROTS deal with darkness closing in. Then, in AOTC, in particular, as you just indicated, you have Lucas drawing heavily on film noir: black and white being the classic "film noir" look (and that's what the term means: "film noir" literally translates as "black film" or "dark film"). And as you just said: the compositing of the visual effects probably improves a tad with the loss of colour and the introduction of a less-punishing greyscale aesthetic. It also looks, to me, like some of the subtle specular sheen in visual elements within various shots of the prequels (what I have previously termed "digi-sheen") stands out more in black and white. Note the soft specular highlight coming from Zam's helmet, for example, and the little pools of light coming off the polished surfaces of those parked air speeders, the reflections from the floor of the Jedi Library, and the sunlight kissing the fringes of Anakin and Padme's hair in the meadow. Arguably, a black and white image also allows you to gain a deeper respect for Lucas' immaculate sense of framing and composition -- which, in AOTC, in particular, is ludicrously good. The fact that Lucas employed such classical camera techniques and scene construction on all *his* Star Wars films is one of the things that makes them so endlessly effective and re-watchable. The application of classic techniques never grows old. Of course, from a camera/composition level, it's something that has been lost under Disney, but that's another discussion. I made a set of black and white frames from the prequels years ago, but then lost them after a hard drive failure. It was a fun exercise (if frustrating to lose them) that made me look at the films with even more satisfaction, admiration, and awe. Also just found this hour-long black-and-white fan edit of the PT on YouTube that may be of basic interest:
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 24, 2019 15:13:00 GMT
That's really cool, Alex.
Our interpretations of the PT vary wildly, but I think we can agree that AotC looks terrific in those darker frames. I can certainly see how it would enhance the Obi-Wan mystery plot, which is straight out of the film noir playbook. I'm not yet convinced it would work for the Naboo romance scenes, or the Battle of Geonosis. I must look into those ones.
Great points, Cryogenic. I too believe black and white would work against the spirit of TPM, though I would be intrigued to see how it would play out for RotS (with the sound kept in tact, of course!).
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Post by tonyg on Aug 25, 2019 17:47:06 GMT
great shots. As PT has visible retro vibe in it, the Black and white version fits in perfectly.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Sept 10, 2019 4:12:03 GMT
I would love to watch these in B&W. I used to have a TV with a color/BW toggle, wish I still had it.
Up on a film screen would be great.
I'm tempted to say I would want to compensate with some contrast adjustment, even if just subtly depending on the scene, but the dark voids seem to play well into the looming tragedy theme. And it all seems to feel like there's something a little off.
The Courscant scenes work particularly well.
Nice seeing some glimpses into the other two films in B&W in that video, Cryo.
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Post by Cryogenic on Sept 10, 2019 19:37:27 GMT
I would love to watch these in B&W. I used to have a TV with a color/BW toggle, wish I still had it. Try decreasing saturation and colour (RGB) values. I think you can probably get an equivalent black and white image that way. It may also be possible to save your settings in a preset. Alternatively, if you have a PC, you can just download something like VLC Media Player and set the image to black and white that way. I don't know about that. Technical issues may cause a kind of optical or physiological discomfort. That happened when I saw "Sin City" at the cinema (same year as ROTS). The film is a hyper-stylised black and white graphic novel adaptation, but it also uses expressionistic touches of colour. It's fine to view at home, but in the auditorium, I could detect a momentary colour fringe every time I moved my eye*, despite the majority of the movie lacking colour. It was a bit off-putting. Modern projection may be better. I can't imagine the same thing occurring with a genuine black and white film negative. Of course, virtually everywhere is digital now. *Or maybe I'm just too attuned to colour after watching the PT a million times. Thanks, George! One of my hobbies is photography. Well, it's one of my only hobbies, after talking Star Wars. I've turned some of my pictures (all digital) into black and white, and I find adjusting the contrast brings more satisfying results. Since the human eye is more sensitive to changes in brightness than changes in colour, it makes sense we innately find black and white imagery appealing. Despite those scenes being awash with colour, I agree. I think it's a few things: i) The 1930s New York Art Deco visual scheme.ii) All the little lights, windows, screens, etc., contrasting with all the shadowed spaces. iii) Lucas' mighty abilities in the areas of framing and composition, making everything look so darn good. iv) Coruscant being the planet most conspicuously associated with the Dark Side, political corruption, and the approaching doom of the Clone Wars and the Empire. Yeah. It's not a bad upload. At least a few other fans recognise that the prequels are visual powerhouses that work with colour and without. Visual storytelling at its finest.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Feb 2, 2020 6:59:21 GMT
I really like this shot, how it focuses on their iconic silhouettes. This shot is a great representative of the first half of the trilogy and it's tone of innocence, friendship, warmth and honor. Even the music during this scene is perfect.
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Post by Ingram on Feb 2, 2020 10:03:47 GMT
A road I've long since ventured down, with all six of Lucas' installments. The two of which that shine the most are A New Hope and, yes, Attack of the Clones. Nice to see others appreciating the mode as well. For anyone curious, here's a quick recollection of other films that transition so naturally (or uniquely, with alternative benefits ) into black 'n' white, such all but demands at least a one-time viewing experience:
Raiders of the Lost Ark* Batman (1989)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow A View to a Kill The Thing Youth Without Youth Streets of Fire
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990)
Dune Minority Report
Conan the Barbarian
* or any of the Indy movies, really.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 30, 2021 4:24:50 GMT
Oh wow, I think I prefer it in black and white. (My favourite films tend to be B&W).
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 30, 2021 9:05:08 GMT
Revenge of the Sith probably looks and feels gorgeous in black and white, it already has such a bleak atmosphere.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on May 30, 2021 13:45:11 GMT
Revenge of the Sith probably looks and feels gorgeous in black and white, it already has such a bleak atmosphere. It's the only one that I might watch again in black and white. The lava during the scene where Palpatine finds Anakin is very surreal without color.
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