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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 28, 2021 12:20:25 GMT
Oddly enough, because of the Galaxy's Edge attraction, and the immaturity of the public, I could totally understand downplaying certain words at the theme park. I just imagine a bunch of teenagers saying "killing younglings" in their Yoda voices every time they hear the term. The last thing Disney needs.
And George wouldn't put Leia in chains today? He put an underage Ahsoka in chains in the Clone Wars comic book, and he liked it so much he made a multiple-episode arc for the TV show.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 28, 2021 12:24:12 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 28, 2021 12:59:00 GMT
Oddly enough, because of the Galaxy's Edge attraction, and the immaturity of the public, I could totally understand downplaying certain words at the theme park. I just imagine a bunch of teenagers saying "killing younglings" in their Yoda voices every time they hear the term. The last thing Disney needs. LOL.  There are other uses of the term in just the PT movies, but I suppose that one has become a bit of a meme. The flat-out denial by Disney is more troubling. Either something was said to staff or it wasn't. What, on the other hand, is the excuse for re-naming Boba's ship? Give 'em one excuse and they will happily expect ten more. Well, the article contains a rebuttal -- not from Lucas, but from his wife: web.archive.org/web/20160209074900/https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/02/kathleen-kennedy-hollywood-producerY'see, to me, it's one thing if Kennedy personally thinks the slave/bikini-girl look is distasteful, but quite another for her to speak for Lucas himself (especially when they had become estranged). He even had to be corralled into attending the TFA premiere, and then Kennedy pulls this shit -- well, no wonder. Your additions are already devastating enough. Yes, Lucas already did the bikini-thing all over again. And in the PT, too: Padme's fireside leather halter dress was one he helped personally design, and Padme has her tight white costume torn in the arena, complete with suggestive Obi-Wan quip: "She seems to be on top of things." What's more, it's blatantly deceptive on Kennedy's part, because there was even early artwork done for Episode VII (before Lucas' treatments were binned) that show Lucas' Frank Frazetta side was beautifully intact in this seductive illustration of blue flame caressing orange flame:  You can already glimpse intensely different possibilities for the Sequel Trilogy in just this one image. The front character, Darth Talon, is now relegated to Legends status. I guess her dominatrix design is too sexually provocative for Darth Disney (they gave the world the sexually magnificent Vice Admiral Holdo instead -- who needs muscles when you can have PURPLE HAIR?!!). It's funny how, in 2009, kids were actually encouraged to draw Darth Talon on the official website -- something that would be unthinkable now. George Lucas wouldn't do that anymore, Kathy? Nah, Kennedy, my luv, he only kept doing it, decades later, and you are too much of a proselytising and deceitful feminist witch to stick to the truth and not stray beyond your own opinions. But, of course, pointing any of this out in the presence of radical feminist beatnik soccer moms gets you banned from a Star Wars website for life. That's the stupid world we're in now. Long live George Walton Lucas. |
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jun 28, 2021 16:17:13 GMT
I honestly hate this weird neo-moralism that has entrenched the popular media. Star Wars, a family friendly series needs to be continuously beaten to the ground, meanwhile all of these glorified “singers” who top the Billboard charts and make actually harmful content get a free pass and are praised?
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 28, 2021 16:20:51 GMT
I honestly hate this weird neo-moralism that has entrenched the popular media. Me, too. I think more people are beginning to see through the lies of the woke media and all the sycophancy, fear, condescension, and hypocrisy surrounding a lot (but not all) of social justice ideology (especially the corporate form). Unfortunately, George Lucas' idea of "family friendly" and Disney's seem to be two different things. You can really tell, as soon as the new people got their mitts on Lucas' creation, they felt they could "improve" it and sell it as back as "safe" to like (and spend tons of $$$ on) once more. |
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Post by Alexrd on Jun 28, 2021 17:00:49 GMT
I honestly hate this weird neo-moralism that has entrenched the popular media. The twisted thing about it is that this "neo-moralism" has no ethical or moral ground at all. Worse, it attacks the morality tales that endured for decades, because they hate it. It's an obstacle to their amorality. It's all about hate, pride and narcissism, which they sell as virtues. |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 28, 2021 17:10:24 GMT
I honestly hate this weird neo-moralism that has entrenched the popular media. The twisted thing about it is that this "neo-moralism" has no ethical or moral ground at all. Worse, it attacks the morality tales that endured for decades, because they hate it. It's an obstacle to their amorality. It's all about hate, pride and narcissism, which they sell as virtues. Well, I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt. Many people who subscribe to the current version of anti-bigotry have probably met some real prejudiced douchebags and cunts and are fed up with it. At the very least, the longing expectation of revenge derails their cause. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 28, 2021 17:28:30 GMT
The twisted thing about it is that this "neo-moralism" has no ethical or moral ground at all. Worse, it attacks the morality tales that endured for decades, because they hate it. It's an obstacle to their amorality. It's all about hate, pride and narcissism, which they sell as virtues. Well, I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt. Many people who subscribe to the current version of anti-bigotry have probably met some real prejudiced douchebags and cunts and are fed up with it. At the very least, the longing expectation of revenge derails their cause. Yeah. I wouldn't exactly go as far as accusing many concerns or positions under the social justice umbrella of being groundless -- just sometimes overstated, vengeful, tyrannical, and intolerant (i.e., a form of what many of these people claim to be fighting against: "What if the Republic has become the very evil we've been fighting to destroy?"). That might sound like I'm still condemning harshly -- and perhaps I am. But I also count myself as being on the political left; so the most extreme statements designed to put out the fire of the left, or invalidate its reasons for existing, I will fight against (even when it's tempting to agree with them out of vengeance/spite of my own). Tolkien had some strong and poignant reflections on this aspect of human beings through his fascination with trees and forest characters in LOTR. From a good essay: (I was just reading this the other day, so figured I'd share it here). www.theonering.net/torwp/2008/11/03/30350-essay-tolkiens-trees/ |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 28, 2021 17:38:00 GMT
In More American Graffiti, Laurie's other brother shows her a sign he plans to bring to a police brutality protest.
PIGS EAT SHIT
"I thought I'd say something in a vernacular the cops can understand."
"Pigs eat shit? Pigs eat shit doesn't make for an understanding police officer..."
It's a pretty great line. And an underrated movie.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 28, 2021 18:42:27 GMT
CryogenicDamn, Cryo. Those excerpts from Tolkien's essay sum up my feelings, as a lifelong leftie, as to why I am so disenchanted by the left of today. I LOVE how Naberrie Fields isn't a woke-fest. Everywhere I turn in real life that is what I find. Indeed, Naberrie Fields is an oasis.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 28, 2021 22:23:06 GMT
Cryogenic Damn, Cryo. Those excerpts from Tolkien's essay sum up my feelings, as a lifelong leftie, as to why I am so disenchanted by the left of today. I LOVE how Naberrie Fields isn't a woke-fest. Everywhere I turn in real life that is what I find. Indeed, Naberrie Fields is an oasis. Glad you enjoyed the excerpt. And yes, we deliberately set Naberrie Fields up to avoid that collectivist nonsense, which began to run out of control on TFN and is now quite dominant on many places. I think we all agreed there should be few rules here and very little limitation on speech. If the prequels taught us anything (both thematically and in terms of the backlash), it's that we have to be adult enough to handle different points of view without reaching for a censor button. Some Star Wars fans, especially those aggrieved by the prequels, clearly rallied to Disney's defence because they wanted the memory of the prequels erased and for prequel fans to be put in their place. Ironically, some of those mentalities now fanatically hate the sequels, and are just as zealous at trashing them, and bullying anyone who defends them, as they were in initially limiting what criticism was allowed (and by whom). It's pretty despicable behaviour, but it's part and parcel of how those people operate. Star Wars has to be their way, built to satisfy their whims and power fantasies, or else it's not only wrong, but toxic and dangerous -- ditto anyone that supports it. They never got the prequels and they've clearly no desire to. Especially since some of them worship power and love enacting vengeance and snap judgements on others like little emperors. The prequels are rather distrusting of that sort of behaviour. So, in a way, those people hate having a mirror held up to their faces and loathe seeing themselves as they truly are. |
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Post by mikeximus on Jun 29, 2021 6:27:17 GMT
Color me… not surprised.
As a boy, I loved Boba Fett, for many of the sane reasons young boys did fall in love with Fett.
As an adult, he still holds a special place in my heart, but I also know he is an immoral character on many levels. He is an immoral character that performs immoral acts, for immoral purposes, for immoral people/beings. Thus… his ship has an immoral name, that reflects his immoral behavior. It’s the same thing with Slave Leia. Yes, adolescent boys are going to fixate on the Bikini, but, the slave bikini is again the degradation of women from an immoral being, so eventually we should get the message that treating women like Jabba treated women is not a good thing. . But again, that nuance and context is lost as people look at just the imagery and clutch their pearls.
Yet.. that nuance, that context, is lost on the new woke culture. Where this new found woke culture has convinced millions that their situation (financial, social, etc etc) is because they are a victim of someone else or something else (da system). Never mind that in the vast… vast majority of these “victims” lives, they are where they are because of the choices they made in life that directly put themselves behind the eight ball, not because the eight ball was placed in front of them by da man or da system. That new found victimization now entitles those millions to look for anything they deem offensive and proof of their victimization, sans nuance and context. Thus, corporations like Disney, Coke, NFL, feel the need to virtue signal to show they are in alignment with these victims. Thus… Slave I is no longer Slave I.
This movement is here to stay. With much of our cultural institutions controlled by the left that buys into this way of thinking, they are putting more and more of this woke agenda into the entertainment and corporate world. With a American President that is not strong enough to hold back his left flank, with Congressional Democrats caving into that sane left flank so they can hold their titles and seats of power in the party, this movement is not going to go away anytime soon.
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Post by Alexrd on Jun 29, 2021 9:55:18 GMT
It goes back to the narcissism that I spoke earlier. The victim status is now used as a badge for attention-seeking individuals, thus insulting and relativizing actual victims from actual crimes. But most of these people aren't victims of anything, so they make up situations so that they can claim themselves to be victims in order to be seen and talked about. The lastest made up crime are words.
"I find these words offensive, therefore I'm a victim because I feel offended."
That's what happened here. Now the word is forbidden, history is changed and destroyed and they now move on to the next cultural/entertainment/social target.
This prevalent mentality is all about pushing themselves down and throwing others along with them, not about putting themselves together and stand up.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 29, 2021 10:08:59 GMT
The thread is true to its title
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 29, 2021 10:58:13 GMT
The thread is true to its title Ha! I was thinking the same thing. It so does. We're all fuelling it, though, let's be honest. And I love a thread that lives up to its title.  |
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Post by Moonshield on Jun 29, 2021 11:12:26 GMT
In More American Graffiti, Laurie's other brother shows her a sign he plans to bring to a police brutality protest. PIGS EAT SHIT "I thought I'd say something in a vernacular the cops can understand." "Pigs eat shit? Pigs eat shit doesn't make for an understanding police officer..." It's a pretty great line. And an underrated movie.
I watched this movie several weeks ago. Absolutely uninteresting and uninspiring. American Graffiti is one of my favourite film of all time (and I didn't expect anything from it), the sequel isn't good at all.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 29, 2021 11:17:25 GMT
In More American Graffiti, Laurie's other brother shows her a sign he plans to bring to a police brutality protest. PIGS EAT SHIT "I thought I'd say something in a vernacular the cops can understand." "Pigs eat shit? Pigs eat shit doesn't make for an understanding police officer..." It's a pretty great line. And an underrated movie.
I watched this movie several weeks ago. Absolutely uninteresting and uninspiring. American Graffiti is one of my favourite film of all time (and I didn't expect anything from it), the sequel isn't good at all.
Makes me cry every time. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 29, 2021 11:21:10 GMT
In More American Graffiti, Laurie's other brother shows her a sign he plans to bring to a police brutality protest. PIGS EAT SHIT "I thought I'd say something in a vernacular the cops can understand." "Pigs eat shit? Pigs eat shit doesn't make for an understanding police officer..." It's a pretty great line. And an underrated movie. I watched this movie several weeks ago. Absolutely uninteresting and uninspiring. American Graffiti is one of my favourite film of all time (and I didn't expect anything from it), the sequel isn't good at all.
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Post by Moonshield on Jun 29, 2021 11:36:07 GMT
What do you mean? More American Graffiti?
And what does he mean? He didn't.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 29, 2021 11:49:49 GMT
What do you mean? More American Graffiti?
And what does he mean? He didn't.
I mean certain scenes were just a stroke of brilliance, even better than the song choices in the original. Steve and Laurie having a domestic dispute to "When a Man Loves A Woman". Gutwrenching. There are many scenes like that for me, not the least of which are at the end. The Toad and Debbie segments drag somewhat, but I do enjoy the stylistic differences between the eras. It may have been a commercial flop, and artistically disappointing considering it's a sequel to a truly exceptional movie, but I wouldn't say it's uninspiring. I think maybe Lucas thought he could do the sequel on a lower budget. He hired a TV movie director to begin with, and IIRC he saw the Toad scenes in vietnam and reshot some of the war footage personally. So, he did finish his movie and put his name on it. |
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There are other uses of the term in just the PT movies, but I suppose that one has become a bit of a meme. The flat-out denial by Disney is more troubling. Either something was said to staff or it wasn't. What, on the other hand, is the excuse for re-naming Boba's ship? Give 'em one excuse and they will happily expect ten more.
