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Post by Ingram on Jun 27, 2022 9:16:29 GMT
Two years ago I posted some comments back on page one accompanied by images. I didn't realize until now (I was too busy being awesome elsewhere) that within that intervening period of time the internet pulled some kinda shit and deleted said images. But guess what, whore-sons, NFFF ain't TFN! ...as we do things here in the spirit of George Lucas with a perpetual edit option.
That's right: my original post lives again, in Technicolor! Ingram
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Not so fast. *as Ingram reaches for the pile of chips* I saw RotJ in theatres in 1983...
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Post by jppiper on Aug 26, 2022 22:15:24 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Oct 21, 2022 3:49:06 GMT
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Post by Ingram on Oct 21, 2022 10:56:59 GMT
A bit of a reaffirmation of what I've always said -- praised -- about Marquand's contribution to the OT. He perhaps over-articulates here to the point of muddling, well, the point but essentially: where Kersh was academically mannered and George an abstractionist, Richard seemed intent on documenting the story at unembellished face value. The way he staged and directed his actors for instance is rehearsed yet stripped of any real thespian indulgence, folksy but without feeling provincial. It's entirely "storybook" in cadence and neutral in all other respects. The way he shot was dead-on squared in a classical (slightly BBC accented) televisual theater sense, never cultured with lensing or too concerned with graphic art frames.
At least in that interview he comes off paradoxically like an enthusiastically ordinary guy. And I mean that as a compliment to both he and Return of the Jedi.
That's showbusiness.
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Post by jppiper on Nov 28, 2022 1:33:56 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 28, 2022 1:38:25 GMT
OMG, Joe! A badass Twitter post for once. Excellent find. Nice to see some positivity for the Lucas Saga.
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Post by Ingram on Nov 28, 2022 2:30:29 GMT
still quietly the best Star Wars movie
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Post by jppiper on Nov 28, 2022 4:20:38 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on Nov 28, 2022 5:12:17 GMT
It is mind-blowing when you find the one good tweet on Twitter.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Dec 19, 2022 20:56:24 GMT
Anyone have any theories on why Vader allows the Rebels land on Endor, rather than tractor beaming them onto his ship?
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Post by tonyg on Feb 2, 2023 13:34:52 GMT
Anyone have any theories on why Vader allows the Rebels land on Endor, rather than tractor beaming them onto his ship? I think there are two reasons. The first one is that he doesn't want particularly to capture them at that point. He is guarding the Death Star and they don't go there, also the crew is too small to be a real treat. But the most important thing is Vader inner conflict about Luke. We see Vader hesitating various times in ROTJ that is something unusual for him. Vader hesitates and in the same time he doesn't want to face the consequences of Luke's capture, at least, not yet. We can see that in the conversation when Luke surrenders to him. Vader is so conflicted that he is talking only about Emperor's intentions about Luke as he is afraid to announce his own. "The Emperor has been expecting you" (well, actually is me who's been expecting but I'm afraid to say it). In this conversation Vader reveal even more about his inner conflict while we see glimpses of it during the silent "connection" between him and Luke when the shuttle approached Endor.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Feb 5, 2023 21:57:56 GMT
I was thinking a few reasons.
1. If he tractor beams them aboard, there will likely be a shoutout, which could get Luke killed.
2. Not privy to the Emperor's plan, he's curious to see what they're up to.
So, he wants to wait for a more opportune time when he can get Luke more isolated and apprehend him.
I'd also add, he's not only conflicted about Luke, but he also wants to run everything by the Emperor first. He wants to see what his Master advises regarding the situation.
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Post by tonyg on Feb 7, 2023 18:47:49 GMT
I was thinking a few reasons. 1. If he tractor beams them aboard, there will likely be a shoutout, which could get Luke killed. 2. Not privy to the Emperor's plan, he's curious to see what they're up to. So, he wants to wait for a more opportune time when he can get Luke more isolated and apprehend him. I'd also add, he's not only conflicted about Luke, but he also wants to run everything by the Emperor first. He wants to see what his Master advises regarding the situation. I think the fact that he search counsel of the Emperor is a symptom how conflicted he is and how he doesn't know what to do. Vader is decisive in ANH and TESB. His doubts and inner turmoil came with Luke appearance. I also think that he let them go also with the purpose to wait to their next move. I think that what is important for him is that Luke is there and he went to the Emperor also to find out if there is some risk for Luke. In ROTJ can be seen that Vader is trying to protect Luke, partially subconsciously. During the duel is more obvious but here is more subtle (my son is with them).
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Post by jppiper on Mar 25, 2023 22:43:11 GMT
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Post by Darkslayer on Mar 29, 2023 20:34:39 GMT
We are closing in on the 40th Anniversary! I'm planning a rewatch of ROTJ soon if anyone wants to join.
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Post by tonyg on Mar 31, 2023 12:28:09 GMT
I understand the main idea. It is the problem of the sequel trilogy: Lucas, after creating the prequels wanted to conclude the Saga of Anakin Skywalker, so he made the story complete. If someone wanted to do a new story IN the future, respecting the lore, I mean, there were two options: 1. Make some spinoffs about some smaller events (possible only for events at least 30 years after this, for the age of the original actors) 2. Make spin-offs about side stories (risky while not impossible) or make some new movies for events far in the future when the New Republic is stabilized, life is good but still there are some smaller problems: corruption and crimes comes to mind (as Lucas intended in a possible sequel saga). Disney had chosen different path and the problems can be seen even now. I would say that making animated movies for Luke and Leia's future was still possible, I'm not sure if live movie with full motion capture is technologically possible but in a way, Lucas would do that if there was even a small opportunity for it. This would be something post-ROTJ that I would be delighted to see, while I think the ending is great.
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Post by Somny on May 2, 2023 20:55:58 GMT
Here's a review of my recent 40th anniversary theatrical screening of ROTJ: I had the entire, massive Regal RPX auditorium almost all to myself (save for a pair of folks behind me and one lone figure far in the back)! Just before I entered the theater for my 10am screening, I'd breached the membrane of social media discourse with a reference to ROTJ as "the first Star Wars prequel" (I am an extremely proud NF'er) owing to its "[introducing] audiences to the story of Anakin Skywalker." Someone tried to correct me and suggest that ANH included the first mention of Anakin by name but I assume they then fact-checked this online and consequently deleted their erroneous posts. GTFO. Anyway, my favorite experience watching ROTJ was at the tail end of the saga-long marathon in 2015 for the release of TFA. But this morning's experience comes in close second. Some thoughts in non-conceptual, list form: - The opening cutaway to the interior of the DSII from Vader's shuttle sent an electric charge up my spine (reminiscent of AOTC's striking opening cutaway to the interior of Amidala's starship)
- The production design logic involved in the brief scene where C-3PO and R2-D2 are picked up by Lando in the skiff after their fall from Jabba's sail barge couldn't be more indicative of the charming low-rent quality occasionally on display in the sextet
- The dense and exotic atmosphere of Jabba's palace (I found it somewhat noxious as a child) provides sublime relief against the latter half of the film (and vice versa)
- The contrast between the humble earnesty of Luke's hologram message and the dismissive reaction by Jabba and the depraved scum of his entourage magnifies the theme of communication and criminality (the latter of which GL would've explored far more in his ST had he made it but the seeds are here)
- Luke calling out "I see them. Wait, Leia!" as his sister leads the charge by mounting the speeder bike and giving chase is a hallowed Skywalker sibling moment for me
- The Emperor of the Universe seems to exhaust almost all of the best puppet-master dialogue in existence without a second of staleness or redundancy
- Flashes of Anakin as an innocent child coursed through my mind in watching black-clad Darth Vader in the most voidal, anti-septic and haunting sci-fi interiors ever committed to film
- A film critic friend of mine I met for brunch afterward stated that he preferred the "Celebrate the Love" closing music from the original 1983 release of the film but I counter-reasoned that it's somewhat inappropriate given the anti-emotionalist streak of the PT
And lastly, I appreciated the less saturated (more mature) 4K transfer up-close. I prefer to sit in the last row of the foremost section as a point of reference. I may have more thoughts later but I just wanted to add something a bit more substantial to the conversation than I'm usually given to. I thought about NF quite a bit while experiencing ROTJ in grand style and felt like you were all there with me in spirit. I love all of you!
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Post by smittysgelato on May 2, 2023 21:03:50 GMT
You bet your ass I was there when Vader screams, "No. Noooooooooo!" and tosses that greedy politician down the reactor shaft.
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Post by Somny on May 2, 2023 21:14:51 GMT
You bet your ass I was there when Vader screams, "No. Noooooooooo!" and tosses that greedy politician down the reactor shaft. "Greedy politician" is exactly right but I'm sure we can all appreciate a man with a plan. And the delivery of Vader's final cry is so unsettling in its pain and desperation. Thankfully, the audio levels were peak at my local cineplex so I really felt its unnerving effect.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 3, 2023 2:27:12 GMT
"Jar Jar, I have a bad feeling we're not on Naboo anymore."
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