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Post by Samnz on Jun 13, 2022 7:52:37 GMT
The writers must believe a character study is a Macguffin plot interspersed with flashbacks of previous footage. There’s an impression that they want to do something but they never explore it and it’s starting to seem like Lucasfilm isn’t hiring writers with the ability to fulfill their ambition or who lack ambition all together. That sums up a lot of my problems with this series pretty well. The drama just falls flat and that's tragic given the return of both Ewan and Hayden (although the haven't yet utilized Hayden very much, which is a big part of the problem). I just think that they have decided to spend way too much time with and on Leia. She was a welcome breeze of frest air for the first two episodes, but that should have been the point for her to go. Obi-Wan's lacking a character that really allows him to reflect. Leia had that ability and those were some of the best moments of the series so far, but she is limited in that regard and that's why she should have left two episodes ago, replaced by deeper drama provided by those who know much more and are less restriced by their knowledge during the OT. Vader, Owen, Bail. I also don't like the action scenes very much, most of them are so underwhelming. They are forgettable and sometimes even look amateurish. The show does definitely look cheapter than The Mandalorian, although they probably had a bigger budget. I still enjoy it for what it is. My expectation have never been that high, so it's quite easy to enjoy this. My episode ranking would be 1 > 3 > 2 > 4 so far. |
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Post by Ingram on Jun 13, 2022 9:26:02 GMT
The first five notes of Obi Wans theme are the same as Qui-Gon's. Thought i noticed it in the past week or so. Has anyone else noticed? Not the initial notes per se but the first time I listened to the suite separate from the show I picked on a general sense of tenor and character closest to that of Qui-Gon's theme, yes. I can't say the theme for the series has stuck with me. I don't think "phoning it in" is a fair critique on Williams' part, but at this point in his career-relationship with the franchise it does seem to me that he's resigned himself to tokenism musical efforts out of ceremony, albeit still with a an ear for motif.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 13, 2022 13:13:51 GMT
The first five notes of Obi Wans theme are the same as Qui-Gon's. Thought i noticed it in the past week or so. Has anyone else noticed? or the first four notes of Obi Wan's theme reference the first five notes of Qui-Gon's. I guess John Williams took this as his opportunity to link the characters since this would be the first (and, I suppose, final) time to create a musical bridge between Obi-Wan and his former Jedi Master. It also nicely ties the series into the prequels that bit more. The first five notes of Obi Wans theme are the same as Qui-Gon's. Thought i noticed it in the past week or so. Has anyone else noticed? Not the initial notes per se but the first time I listened to the suite separate from the show I picked on a general sense of tenor and character closest to that of Qui-Gon's theme, yes. I can't say the theme for the series has stuck with me. I don't think "phoning it in" is a fair critique on Williams' part, but at this point in his career-relationship with the franchise it does seem to me that he's resigned himself to tokenism musical efforts out of ceremony, albeit still with a an ear for motif. Nothing John Williams has done since the PT has the grandeur, sweep, or brilliance of Duel Of The Fates in TPM, Across The Stars in AOTC, and Battle Of The Heroes in ROTS. Each prequel film afforded Williams the chance to craft a long, ornate piece of dazzling virtuosity and emotional power. His work on the sequels and now, however brief, on the Obi-Wan series, can't really compare. There's just nothing of the same gravity or symphonic radiance; not in the music nor, arguably, in the material. I think tokenism is sadly close to the mark. That said, I like the Obi-Wan theme, much as I enjoy the main TROS theme. Both recall earlier glories, but not in a tacky or obvious way. I also think it helps that both compositions are less hypertensive than some of Williams' other latter-day Star Wars work. His blare-y action material doesn't work very well in the sequels, in my opinion. That's where I think he really was going through the motions. With the Obi-Wan and TROS themes/suites, I think he took more care and tapped into the more quietly hopeful strands of the franchise -- the parts that have always had genuine depth beneath the Cowboys-and-Indians theatrics that more casual observers seem to think is all Star Wars really is. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 13, 2022 13:36:28 GMT
The writers must believe a character study is a Macguffin plot interspersed with flashbacks of previous footage. There’s an impression that they want to do something but they never explore it and it’s starting to seem like Lucasfilm isn’t hiring writers with the ability to fulfill their ambition or who lack ambition all together. That sums up a lot of my problems with this series pretty well. The drama just falls flat and that's tragic given the return of both Ewan and Hayden (although the haven't yet utilized Hayden very much, which is a big part of the problem). I just think that they have decided to spend way too much time with and on Leia. She was a welcome breeze of frest air for the first two episodes, but that should have been the point for her to go. Obi-Wan's lacking a character that really allows him to reflect. I think the series is in danger of falling into the dreaded Disney realm of mediocrity, contrivance, and irrelevance. Personally speaking, I'm still hanging on in with it. I appreciate what you mean regarding Leia, however. I also thought she might be dispatched back to Alderaan by the third episode, but that hasn't happened. It became clear by the close of that episode that Leia would probably be in all six and that they wouldn't be springing any new MacGuffins on us. Leia and Obi-Wan's relationship is the through-line. I'm okay with that. She's a strong little character in her own right and she is the critical component in Obi-Wan's rekindling of his inner Jedi flame. Nevertheless, you can trust Disney to do one of two things, or even both at the same time: i) Drive a concept into the ground by milking it and clinging to it for all it's worth, and ii) Completely fail to develop an asset properly and just toss all that latent potential aside. In some ways, the series is testifying to all the strengths and weaknesses of the Disney approach. The absence of Lucas is really felt since he handed the franchise over. George is the king of coherent, colourful, satisfying, logical, and adventurous action sequences. How many of those boxes does this series tick? I would say they are semi-coherent, mildly colourful, half-satisfying, somewhat logical, and fairly low on the adventurous or boundary-pushing side of things. What that sums to I don't know. My favourite is the rooftop chase in the second episode. That one seems a tad more technically proficient and cleanly laid-out than the other action set-pieces. There is actually some good tension in it. The other scenes have more of a haphazard, throwaway quality to them. People have certainly complained of a fan-film feel in the fight between Obi and Vader in the third episode. That's my basic outlook, too. However, my ranking would probably be: 1 > 2 > 3 > 4. Yeah, ouch... I guess the series has been on a decline for me so far. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 13, 2022 16:49:18 GMT
screenrant.com/why-hayden-christensen-hardly-appears-in-kenobi/Nice to see an agreeable article from Screenrant for a change. I'm still hopeful we'll see Christensen as Anakin in a form that's not a vague voice jumbled up among minor animated characters (TROS) or a five second visual hallucination (Third episode), he couldn't have grown his hair out for nothing. Not putting money on it though. I think a Vader with a broken suit or mask is very possible, given the precedent in Rebels.
The only things I find questionable are: a) Some of the trash-talk dialogue from Vader to Obi-Wan in their clash on Mapuzo. What is it Vader says? "The years have made you weak." That's so insipid. It's also too uncomfortably close to his line to Obi-Wan in ANH: "Your powers are weak, old man." I expected more. That said, the line readings were very good, and it actually sounded like it was Anakin/Hayden talking beneath the mask. b) As Seeker has pointed out, Vader is pretty sadistic in the village scene, attacking innocents and murdering them, all to flush out Obi-Wan. It seems a tad out of character for Vader to be quite that savage. In the Saga films, his targets from ROTS onward are either military targets or people of a certain rank/station. Those poor villagers were hiding in their houses and Vader drags them out and kills several of them just because he can. a) There's no harm in characters rephrasing old lines. Plenty of us do it on this forum, do we not?  b) Were the younglings really military targets? That was infinitely more brutish than taking out two villagers, in my opinion.
As for "worthless": Hey, now, we can also look to the prequels there and recall people's reactions to Jar Jar. I'm not seeing worthless characters in the series so far. True, the main attraction is Obi-Wan, but I also like Leia and Reva and I think all of their stories are going to dovetail nicely. The squabbling between the two inquisitors was an interesting new dynamic, greatly enhanced by Friend's performance, and the Anakin-esque petulance of Reva. Ever since we've lost the Grand Inquisitor, however, there's been no replacement, the Fifth Brother is just hopelessly cartoonish. We now get scenes of Reva with Leia instead, with the former coming off more like a babysitter playing peekaboo than a fearsome interrogator.
He doesn't have much character, no -- at least, I'm not sure what there is left to explore, once this series is through. Surely, at some point, Vader just becomes demystified and actually turns boring. He's been in enough Star Wars media at this point. It's time to move beyond Vader and reach for something new. There is a danger in that, but then that's what a large part of the fanbase are clamouring for. Disney are breaking new ground in The Mandalorian, Rogue One and several new planned series, to be fair to them. How much Vader agrees with this plot is unclear, although he might believe there's a chance of bringing back Padme one day. This has been explored in the comics well before Abrams got his paws on a second Star Wars. And it's not a might either, it's an obsession. Ultimately, we know that he's taken for a fool by Sidious. Vader is a man of great delusions. A sad, pathetic human being hiding behind a mask and superpower abilities. There's not much to envy there, let's be honest.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 13, 2022 17:30:42 GMT
The only things I find questionable are: a) Some of the trash-talk dialogue from Vader to Obi-Wan in their clash on Mapuzo. What is it Vader says? "The years have made you weak." That's so insipid. It's also too uncomfortably close to his line to Obi-Wan in ANH: "Your powers are weak, old man." I expected more. That said, the line readings were very good, and it actually sounded like it was Anakin/Hayden talking beneath the mask. b) As Seeker has pointed out, Vader is pretty sadistic in the village scene, attacking innocents and murdering them, all to flush out Obi-Wan. It seems a tad out of character for Vader to be quite that savage. In the Saga films, his targets from ROTS onward are either military targets or people of a certain rank/station. Those poor villagers were hiding in their houses and Vader drags them out and kills several of them just because he can. a) There's no harm in characters rephrasing old lines. Plenty of us do it on this forum, do we not? b) Were the younglings really military targets? That was infinitely more brutish than taking out two villagers, in my opinion. The younglings weren't military targets, but they constituted more of a threat, given that they were already Jedi inductees and trained to use the Force. The villagers were just regular citizens of the galaxy. That said, Vader might target them because he thinks they're guilty of hiding Obi-Wan, one of the most wanted Jedi in the galaxy. The close repeating of certain lines and phrases I can live with and even derive enjoyment from. It's part of the Star Wars experience. However, in the case of the fight between Obi-Wan and Vader, it felt like Vader needed another line or two with more heft. The Fifth Brother is very cartoonish but quite funny as a result. When he shouted "Destroy them!" to Reva in his husky Asian voice at the end of the fourth episode, I found something very satisfying in it. Reminded me of General Grievous. Rupert Friend certainly brought more gravitas. The interrogation scene didn't bother me. Reva's hard-soft alternation was actually quite menacing, IMO. The character is obviously quite nasty yet conflicted. We've never had a scene of an adult interrogating a child in live-action Star Wars before. I think they were being careful not to push things too far. You remind me of that RedLetterMedia meme: "IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!" I'm not sure how much ground is being broken by the things you cite. I mean, sure, they're a little different for Star Wars and not exactly poor, but still, perhaps, a bit middling overall. Also: Vader still features in "Rogue One". About as much as he's been in this series so far. They rely on Vader to add interest whenever he features. Lucas did, too. But Lucas was smart enough, as you said before, to avoid featuring Vader in the prequels, save for a single and hugely impactful scene where Anakin awakens as Vader, and then that marginal scene at the end in the montage, where Vader strolls to Palpatine's side: Anakin having embraced his new life as a Sith Lord, his beautiful pregnant wife traded for a decrepit master and a cold killing machine floating in the void. Well, sure, it could be an obsession. I only used the word "might" because there's no direct on-screen evidence of that. On the surface, Vader only appears to be obsessed with getting back at the universe by erasing the Jedi and eradicating the Rebellion. However, fans do need to keep in mind why Anakin pledged himself to Sidious in the first place. If Disney is working with the Faustian angle, that's fine with me. I figure that some prequel fans may have a problem with it, however; if only because Disney are doing it and that makes it fake and worthless and stupid, etc. |
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Post by Gen on Jun 13, 2022 17:43:32 GMT
Ingram foresaw this. There's a great old post of his on TFN that elaborated on a vague feeling I had at the time. The nuances / ingredients that make a Star Wars filmThe last 3 paragraphs... It's a big part of why most non-Lucas SW media doesn't sit right with me. Yet it seems like most people want this kind of camera-mugging, the "deep" character studies and the streaming-service-type dramatic beats doled out in scientifically measured portions... and I'm not even saying those things inherently offend me, but I have a hard time marrying them to Star Wars. I like when Star Wars is mostly matter-of-fact. This show constantly reminds me it's a show. Pretty crude one at that. I was wondering the other week why the sabers were so goddamn bright in the Vader fight. They have this "real saber" tech now, but does it excuse destroying the frame composition with that much light? The only time a similar situation is portrayed in the OG movies is Dooku vs Anakin in AOTC, where the glowing is significantly less bright and is emphasized to create an analogy between Dooku and Anakin. This emphasis on gritty realism destroys any kind of sense of "flow" I associate with Star Wars. Not to mention the lack of memorable music. Bland locales... won't bother repeating most of what's been said. Anyway... is SW just at odds with small-screen presentation and intimate character studies? You really have to wonder how Underworld would have turned out. The test footage of it still feels Lucasian... I don't know, it's peppy and gonzo. No wonder animation intrigued GL so much. Both CW shows fit into his world and flexed their televisual/animated muscles all the same.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 13, 2022 20:31:32 GMT
Anyway... is SW just at odds with small-screen presentation and intimate character studies? You really have to wonder how Underworld would have turned out. The test footage of it still feels Lucasian... I don't know, it's peppy and gonzo. No wonder animation intrigued GL so much. Both CW shows fit into his world and flexed their televisual/animated muscles all the same.
The Clone Wars felt very different. It's similar to Kenobi in that in shares heavy PT influences, whilst also being distinct in its own style. The unfamiliar music and stunted running time are two elements that immediately strike me in the two shows.
The animated series involved an adjustment process for a lot of viewers, this is a point that's become increasingly forgotten, and one people should be reminded of. Ahsoka was doubted every bit as much as Reva in Obi-Wan Kenobi, or Anakin in the PT were. We owe it ourselves to remain patient, and restrain our full judgment until the series has concluded with the sixth episode. There's no shame in gradually coming to appreciate a character, or in not immediately getting a character.
I have no doubt Underworld would also have been a similar blend of the familiar and unfamiliar. It would be guided by the Lucasian magic, to be sure, but it would have likely involved additional writers as TCW did, perhaps even its own lieutenant too resembling a David Filoni.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 13, 2022 20:50:33 GMT
Another shiny classic from our boy Ingram there. I see I never hit "like" on it. Consider this my delayed-by-nine-years like. Ingram: A beautiful capsule quote. Here's another: Totally. In Saga mode, screen wipes are essential. TLJ had very few of them. Oh, man. Ingram totally called it, didn't he? Oh, snap! I totally understand Ingram's attitude to the Obi-Wan series reading this. I mean, I already did, but this just brings his aesthetic -- some might even say quasi-spiritual -- objections into ultra-sharp relief. The last 3 paragraphs... It's a big part of why most non-Lucas SW media doesn't sit right with me. Yet it seems like most people want this kind of camera-mugging, the "deep" character studies and the streaming-service-type dramatic beats doled out in scientifically measured portions... and I'm not even saying those things inherently offend me, but I have a hard time marrying them to Star Wars. I like when Star Wars is mostly matter-of-fact. This show constantly reminds me it's a show. Pretty crude one at that. Well put. I worry I'm embracing this show as a novelty, kinda like how I did -- or tried to do -- when TFA came out. Star Wars colliding with the modern world, not necessarily for the better; but I'm just that bit fascinated by it, by my own contradictory embrace of it. I prefer the scalpel-like precision of the main films and the gorgeous formalism of the George Lucas films. One thing that tells me I'm out of sync with the Kenobi show is the disgusting use of shaky-cam. I absolutely hate it. It looks so crude and amateurish. Shaky-cam is brilliant when used sparingly ( very sparingly), but it otherwise jars and looks "student film-y" in the extreme. Ugh, no. I just want to spend the next year watching the Saga films -- that is: Episodes I to VI -- on repeat. Fuck the noise. To come to the show's defence a little bit, the added light does add some depth/meaning to the confrontation, especially when Obi-Wan first activates his. He's overwhelmed and confused and the light brings no comfort. That's interesting; or neat, at least. I don't particularly care for the emphasis on gritty realism, though. Music always carried the experience before. I think Lucas once said that music is 50% of the Star Wars experience. I'm not sure this show or much of anything Disney has put out really shares that understanding. The locales and tech are boring asf. Actually, no, not all. I did really enjoy Daiyu in episode two. The more I consider that episode, the more I like it. However, looking back at even the beauty of Alderaan, it's actually a little inferior to how Lucas made it look at the end of ROTS. I had the opposite impression about a week ago. Some of the shine is off this series now. Lucas just put so much thought, layering, and beauty into everything. It probably is at odds, yes. It's a fairy-tale set in another galaxy. If that kind of setting and premise doesn't demand the big screen, what does? The whole idea of Star Wars on TV is fucking stupid. Grrgh. I'm gonna return to my cave, cook myself some soup, and just contemplate the triviality of a universe that allows a post-Lucas Lucasfilm to exist. |
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Post by Gen on Jun 13, 2022 21:09:14 GMT
Cryogenic Oh yeah, I did think there was something there with the saber thing, bit of a horror movie vibe. And "Star Wars colliding with the modern world" - not opposed to it either. I just think it'll take a true auteur to make it happen. Perhaps the filmmakers who grew up with SW failed to truly understand it, but we're in an era now where knowledge of "the Lucas way" is much more widespread than it's ever been. What I do like are most of Ewan's performance, Joel and Jimmy shine, Vader acts like a piece of shit which is how I imagine he'd be at this point in time, the little girl was a good pick for Leia. ArchdukeOfNaboo True. That's why I haven't been chiming in weekly, do want to let the show simmer first. I do tend to trust my instinct though a la Qui-Gon. Beautiful avatar by the way.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 13, 2022 23:36:53 GMT
ArchdukeOfNaboo True. That's why I haven't been chiming in weekly, do want to let the show simmer first. I do tend to trust my instinct though a la Qui-Gon. Beautiful avatar by the way. Thanks, Gen! It's the same avatar I used when I first joined the discussion fandom over on Naboo News back in 2018. I think it sums up what Star Wars means to many in my generation who grew up with the prequels  I think the world of this particular group of individuals. I'd love to see them re-united for a panel one day. Whatever comes of this show by its end, let me tell you, it's been a blast just seeing Ewan and Hayden re-united.
Somehow... the interviews have returned!
Source:
Obi-Wan Kenobi’ Star Hayden Christensen Explores His Latest Darth Vader Incarnation and Talks Anakin’s (Much-Memed) Sand Feelings |
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Post by Ingram on Jun 14, 2022 3:26:31 GMT
Oppenheimer's bar tab! Just how much of my rambling message forum bullshit has been filed away by others, anyhow? I get twitchy about this sorta thing. It causes turbulence for my paranoid brain (how many of you, ahem, "Star Wars fans" happen to work in a government building?). I hear you, Gen, on your overall takeaway. I think I might benefit from having since mastered such warring animal spirits during my vision quest inside a Navaho sweat lodge; to say, reconciled my personal investment. I do think McGregaor's performance here remains an integral link to the Star Wars of old for which you (and I) still yearn. The rest of the show is just kinda neutrally consumable and a bit silly, intended or otherwise. The whole thing under Disney has crossed the point of no return -- the event horizon -- into 'Star Wars-for-Normies' mode. You just have to make of it what you can. Just remember what Qui-Gon told Anakin on the landing platform: "Midi-chlorians are little bugs that do stuff. They're like radium, only safer."[insert 'Written and Directed by George Lucas' meme]
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 14, 2022 3:42:52 GMT
Oppenheimer's bar tab! Just how much of my rambling message forum bullshit has been filed away by others, anyhow? I get twitchy about this sorta thing. It causes turbulence for my paranoid brain (how many of you, ahem, "Star Wars fans" happen to work in a government building?). Hey, man, you wrote it! Or the earlier you did. That no longer exists. That maybe never existed. Except as a flicker of my consciousness, which itself may be an illusion, naught but a Boltzmann brain spontaneously existing in the infinite void. No matter how great we think we are, a trillion things in the universe are greater, even if outside our comprehension or awareness. Then again, we have to be aware to also be aware that we're not aware; of things we're not aware of. Really weird, when you think about it. Sorry, got a bit cosmic there. Is that the medieval version of Ewan McGregor? Yewan McGregaor! Now I've forgotten how to spell Ewan McGregor. Yeah, Ewan is just about the glue holding the show together. Without him, it would rather suck and taste like a bunch of moldy lemons farted out of the back of an old Skoda. I hate you for reminding me of this. Triggered! I was not long ago discussing with my mother the potential hazard of my existing employment, wherein I am stationed freakishly close to a double fluorescent lighting tube and its attendant electrical assembly, which carries a small radiation risk: of both the UV and gamma-ray kinds. Your comment, along with Pyro's posting a picture of Bruce Banner as The Hulk, has freaked me out. Thanks, Internet. |
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Post by Ingram on Jun 14, 2022 4:00:11 GMT
Triggered! I was not long ago discussing with my mother the potential hazard of my existing employment, wherein I am stationed freakishly close to a double fluorescent lighting tube and its attendant electrical assembly, which carries a small radiation risk: of both the UV and gamma-ray kinds. Your comment, along with Pyro's posting a picture of Bruce Banner as The Hulk, has freaked me out. Thanks, Internet. Cryo. At the office:  The second retro-Tom Hanks gif I've posted in exactly a week's time. This Disney+ Obi-Wan Kenobi series is doing something to us. |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 14, 2022 5:41:42 GMT
Triggered! I was not long ago discussing with my mother the potential hazard of my existing employment, wherein I am stationed freakishly close to a double fluorescent lighting tube and its attendant electrical assembly, which carries a small radiation risk: of both the UV and gamma-ray kinds. Your comment, along with Pyro's posting a picture of Bruce Banner as The Hulk, has freaked me out. Thanks, Internet. Cryo. At the office: The second retro-Tom Hanks gif I've posted in exactly a week's time. This Disney+ Obi-Wan Kenobi series is doing something to us. "I know he can GET the job, but can he DO the job? ...I'm not arguing that with you..." |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 14, 2022 12:32:54 GMT
Is that the medieval version of Ewan McGregor? Yewan McGregaor! Now I've forgotten how to spell Ewan McGregor.
Medieval as in Middle English? Both his first and last name actually derive from a very different language, Scottish Gaelic, so better to go in that original form. As you will know, their culture was savagely oppressed by the English during the Highland Clearances.
Fun fact: the name Owen is an American spelling of the common Irish name Eoghan (analogous to Shawn and Seán - the Irish version of John). The Scottish cognate is Eòghan, which gives Ewan in English. The Irish County, Tyrone (Tír Eoghain. literally: land of Eoghan) also derives from this personal name.
So, Obi-Wan and Uncle Owen are brothers after all... from a certain point of view  |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 14, 2022 14:13:08 GMT
As much as I like a lot of the Obi-Wan show so far, these kind of people on Twitter are just insufferable, and I'm sure they push some people to disliking the series further. No, not everyone who dislikes this show is a "wierdo". Take a look at this negative review of the 4th episode from John Campea show. They're not even Fandom Menace: Edit: The tweet isn't showing up? Flip sake, ProBoards, stop forcing the embedding, if a Twitter user is so scared that she blocks it on other sites, then we end up in limbo.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 15, 2022 3:57:41 GMT
Is that the medieval version of Ewan McGregor? Yewan McGregaor! Now I've forgotten how to spell Ewan McGregor. Medieval as in Middle English? Both his first and last name actually derive from a very different language, Scottish Gaelic, so better to go in that original form. As you will know, their culture was savagely oppressed by the English during the Highland Clearances. Fun fact: the name Owen is an American spelling of the common Irish name Eoghan (analogous to Shawn and Seán - the Irish version of John). The Scottish cognate is Eòghan, which gives Ewan in English. The Irish County, Tyrone (Tír Eoghain. literally: land of Eoghan) also derives from this personal name.
So, Obi-Wan and Uncle Owen are brothers after all... from a certain point of view Great little language lesson! Star Wars is pretty weird here, actually. Ewan plays Obi-Wan. E-wan. Uncle O-wen. I just had a thought that Obi-Wan, after thanking Owen for defending him from the Inquisitors, should have said, "Thanks, I Obi-Wan." Or: "Thanks, I Owen you one." Yeah, I know, I missed my calling writing Christmas cracker jokes. As much as I like a lot of the Obi-Wan show so far, these kind of people on Twitter are just insufferable, and I'm sure they push some people to disliking the series further. No, not everyone who dislikes this show is a "wierdo". Yeah, but you gotta admit... That tweet has a bumper-sticker nattiness about it. And people who don't like Star Wars are weirdos. So there. Ne-yeah. John Campea is a 50-year-old man with a microphone raging about Star Wars on YouTube. And he even says, in that video, he hates the prequels. If it looks like the fandom menace and talks like the fandom menace... I mean, look, I get it. Many nerds were upset with the fourth episode and found the security on this fearsome-looking fortress to be a complete joke. Obi-Wan has such an easy time getting in and getting out. I've read an interesting opinion that Fortress Inquisitorius kinda works as a Venus fly trap. There's the appearance of low security, Jedi think they can make it, so they break into the fortress and sneak around, convinced they can get back out -- until they get stuck inside and meet a fate worse than death. But that doesn't happen (obviously) to Obi-Wan or Tala. The problem isn't that they get out. It's that they just breeze their way through. A person with a relaxed, respectful tone is Thor Skywalker. Although I'm not sure even he isn't part of the fandom menace. They kind of all are. It's an umbrella term, not a definitive statement or manifesto. Some of Thor Skywalker's reviews/commentary/analysis of Obi-Wan so far: His pre-airing (but close to airdate) videos: Lack of Vision: Did Kathleen Kennedy pick the wrong time to respect/honor George Lucas?
21 May 2022 Is Kenobi really going to take a back seat in his own series? Could the leaks and rumors be true?24 May 2022 Did Lucasfilm really just insult Star Wars fans? Do they not understand their fanbase at all?25 May 2022 His videos since the show began airing: Off to a good start? | Kenobi Episodes 1 & 2 Spoiler Review & Discussion27 May 2022 Is "Kenobi" making one of the biggest plot holes in Star Wars worse? Or is it being explained?29 May 2022 Has Lucasfilm's "prediction" of hate for Reva (Moses Ingram) come to pass? What is the truth here?31 May 2022 Kenobi is heating up: "Obi-Wan Kenobi" Part 3 Spoiler Review & Deep Dive1 Jun 2022 Kenobi Controversy: Why this keeps happening with "Legacy Characters"3 Jun 2022 The Grand Inquisitor Problem: More subverting expectations for the sake of subverting expectations?6 Jun 2022 A bad feeling about this? "Obi-Wan Kenobi" Part 4 Spoiler Review & Deep Dive8 Jun 2022 Obi-Wan Kenobi Series: Fill one plot hole, two more take its place9 Jun 2022 Why Leia & Reva unfortunately don't work in the "Obi-Wan Kenobi Series"12 Jun 2022 As you can see, he already has a few out. Some also, I believe, delve into spoilers and/or speculation for the remaining episodes. But he normally provides a clear warning before those parts. The thing that is good about his channel (which I'm sure you already know but I'll say it anyway) is his narration is cool and level-headed and doesn't employ sarcasm, wild ranting, or even any visual tricks. It's basically fireside narration divested of snark and the typical outbursts of incredulity that practically define the YouTube generation dining out on Star Wars and critiquing Disney at every turn. In other words, it's oddly refreshing to experience a Star Wars fan taking a calm and somewhat lo-fi approach. He sticks to his guns, does our Thor, and he earns respect for it in the process. However, as solid as his videos are, they're also dry and not all that in-depth. He offers broad-brush, bite-size critique. For a sharper, more surgical analysis, one must turn to other channels. Again, I'm not bothered whether these videos conform to the fandom menace appellation or not. Obviously, in many ways, they do. Still, taken on their own terms, they're fine. One can hardly call these people weirdos unless one is prepared to call oneself a weirdo. Nevertheless, they are rather vain and obsessed with running the series down and even sounding a bit smug about. This is a typical example. For all his negativity, I actually enjoy his acerbic, heavy-duty, fast-talking British disdain. I don't share his opinions, but I recognise that -- "from a certain point of view" -- they ring true. Here, then, is Disparu to take us through all the episodes so far: Worst Pilot Ever? Obi-Wan Kenobi Review Episode 127 May 2022 It Gets WORSE! Obi-Wan Kenobi Review Episode 228 May 2022 Utter DESTRUCTION! Obi-Wan Kenobi Review Episode 31 Jun 2022 They Did What?! Obi-Wan Kenobi Review Episode 48 Jun 2022 Like Thor Skywalker, he has a few other videos contending against the series outside of his main episode diatribes: A pre-release rant: Obi-Wan Kenobi Fans ATTACKED by Cast Member Moses Ingram - Star Wars TV series Leak Excuses? 25 May 2022 And since the show started airing: Disney Star Wars ATTACKS Fans To Distract From Obi Wan Kenobi Disaster31 May 2022 Obi-Wan Kenobi Writer Explains WHY The Show Sucks10 Jun 2022 Obi-Wan Kenobi's DESPERATE Journalist Reviews13 Jun 2022 Yeah, the guy clearly loves the sound of his own voice, but I can kinda relate. It's too easy to be a cynic. It's the quicker, easier path. I really like the series (for all my complaints). In places, it has been shockingly intense, and it just has a certain sort of depth and nuance that I don't think fans are really appreciating -- much like what happened with the prequels. Still, the story seems to have meandered a bit and flopped around in Act Two. I really hope episodes five and six deliver and make the whole thing feel worthwhile. |
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Post by Ingram on Jun 15, 2022 6:36:12 GMT
Middle-aged box-wine lady who's probably as big a fan of Star Wars as I am of international football says Disney+ product is great. It's like that time Jim Jones endorsed Flavor-Aid. That joke probably went a little too far, but I'm sticking with it.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 15, 2022 10:20:26 GMT
Cryogenic Thor is not Fandom Menace. He is far more thoughtful, generous and measured with his language than the group who simply dislike everything Disney do. I haven't watched the other commentator you cite, bit he sure does give off FM vibes from his thumbnails.
John Campea is indeed an OG prequel basher (Collider, Movie talk etc), and I've criticised him on numerous occasions since joining the online fandom. You probably have too. The reason I reference him, however, is that he - and his two guests, women, it should be pointed out - are people very open to what Disney has to offer, but have ended up disliking the 4th episode anyway. Whist I have my disagreements with him, I can at least credit him for being eager to watch the series, which is very-prequel influenced series, at the end of the day. That openness is a welcome trait, and contrary to what the Fandom Menace stand for.
To me, the FM have just become negative for the sake of negativity. They may started off with valid criticism of Disney, but it's just an act at this stage. They're every bit as annoying as the
"Middle-aged box-wine lady" of Twitter, who attempt to shame people for not enjoying Disney Star Wars.
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I think the world of this particular group of individuals. I'd love to see them re-united for a panel one day.