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Post by jppiper on May 31, 2022 0:31:33 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 0:36:45 GMT
Sorry, yeah. I was a little off in my maths there. That only strengthens my case. Ewan seems a lot more youthful than Sir Alec. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 31, 2022 0:46:27 GMT
She would have been in her late twenties when filming the series. It's quite conceivable she is a playing a character in her early twenties. Not that much of an age difference. Mark Hamill was 24 when principal photography began on Episode IV. Luke is meant to be 19. Alec Guinness turned 64 [correction: 62] not long after principal photography began (they had a birthday party for him in Tunisia), but he looked older than Ewan will likely look at the same age. Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen are very close in age, but Padme is meant to be five years Anakin's senior in the prequels. There's ample precedent that Moses Ingram isn't playing a character who perfectly matches her real age.
I don't know, I still find it a bit off. Also, I take it that Anakin is 20 years in AOTC, but turns 10 during TPM. I don't believe it's a full five year gap.
23 years outside the suit, 23 years in the suit, dead at 46, sums it up pretty neatly.
I'm not obeying any recen changes to ages. This is how I've long understood it.
Obi-Wan looks closer to 80 than 60 in ANH!
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 0:57:10 GMT
She would have been in her late twenties when filming the series. It's quite conceivable she is a playing a character in her early twenties. Not that much of an age difference. Mark Hamill was 24 when principal photography began on Episode IV. Luke is meant to be 19. Alec Guinness turned 64 [correction: 62] not long after principal photography began (they had a birthday party for him in Tunisia), but he looked older than Ewan will likely look at the same age. Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen are very close in age, but Padme is meant to be five years Anakin's senior in the prequels. There's ample precedent that Moses Ingram isn't playing a character who perfectly matches her real age. I don't know, I still find it a bit off. Maybe. I would say 25 and then be done with it. If the show wants to give her a different age, fine. But I guess I do like the resonance with Anakin at his given ages in Episodes II and III. Reva has an edgy, malformed personality for an Inquisitor, a bit like Anakin as a Jedi, especially the brash, reckless Anakin of AOTC. He's 9 or 10 in TPM, which makes him 19 or 20 in AOTC. However, maybe Padme is 14 going on 15 in TPM, which likewise makes her 24 going on 25 in AOTC. There is basically a five-year age-gap going by their stated years of birth on Wookieepedia: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anakin_SkywalkerBorn: 41 BBY starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Padm%C3%A9_AmidalaBorn: 46 BBY
Interesting. Yeah, I like that symmetry. I guess there is some fuzziness between the episodes about just how much time elapses. If Anakin is 9 in TPM, he can still be 23 by the time we get to ROTS.
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Post by deliveranze on May 31, 2022 1:09:29 GMT
I don't know, I still find it a bit off. Maybe. I would say 25 and then be done with it. If the show wants to give her a different age, fine. But I guess I do like the resonance with Anakin at his given ages in Episodes II and III. Reva has an edgy, malformed personality for an Inquisitor, a bit like Anakin as a Jedi, especially the brash, reckless Anakin of AOTC. He's 9 or 10 in TPM, which makes him 19 or 20 in AOTC. However, maybe Padme is 14 going on 15 in TPM, which likewise makes her 24 going on 25 in AOTC. There is basically a five-year age-gap going by their stated years of birth on Wookieepedia: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anakin_SkywalkerBorn: 41 BBY starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Padm%C3%A9_AmidalaBorn: 46 BBY Interesting. Yeah, I like that symmetry. I guess there is some fuzziness between the episodes about just how much time elapses. If Anakin is 9 in TPM, he can still be 23 by the time we get to ROTS. If I’m not mistaken, the AOTC novelization has a prelude where Shmi realizes it’s Anakin’s 20th birthday. I believe a canon source Iron Lord posted on the JCF mentioned him being 20 by the time he marries Padme. And I like the symmetry that both Luke and Anakin end their respective trilogies at 23. I think Anakin is supposed to be 10 during the Naboo celebration scene when he has the new Padawan cut. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 1:15:44 GMT
If I’m not mistaken, the AOTC novelization has a prelude where Shmi realizes it’s Anakin’s 20th birthday. I believe a canon source Iron Lord posted on the JCF mentioned him being 20 by the time he marries Padme. And I like the symmetry that both Luke and Anakin end their respective trilogies at 23. I think Anakin is supposed to be 10 during the Naboo celebration scene when he has the new Padawan cut. I guess TPM and AOTC always want to make him 9 or 10, 19 or 20. He's a person on a threshold. When the Vader masks shuts on him at 23, that kind of symbolises how his typical aging process has become irrelevant. He's a new man now. Well, more machine than man... |
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Post by deliveranze on May 31, 2022 1:18:52 GMT
If I’m not mistaken, the AOTC novelization has a prelude where Shmi realizes it’s Anakin’s 20th birthday. I believe a canon source Iron Lord posted on the JCF mentioned him being 20 by the time he marries Padme. And I like the symmetry that both Luke and Anakin end their respective trilogies at 23. I think Anakin is supposed to be 10 during the Naboo celebration scene when he has the new Padawan cut. I guess TPM and AOTC always want to make him 9 or 10, 19 or 20. He's a person on a threshold. When the Vader masks shuts on him at 23, that kind of symbolises how his typical aging process has become irrelevant. He's a new man now. Well, more machine than man... There’s something quite disturbing that he becomes Vader that young. Like at 23, being imprisoned in an iron lung till your dying breath. And like you said, the aging process no longer matters. You’re always gonna look like a shadow. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 31, 2022 1:26:12 GMT
Anakin is 23 in ROTS. This is a hill I'm ready to die on 
Throwing out years makes no sense without specifying months. Put it this way:
John: born 2000 january
Peter: born 1999 December
The year of birth disguises the fact there's actually a month or less between them. Thus we can say that for people born in 2000 and 2005, there may be as little as just over 4 years to almost 6 years between them, it won't always be a neat 5 years.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 1:26:27 GMT
I guess TPM and AOTC always want to make him 9 or 10, 19 or 20. He's a person on a threshold. When the Vader masks shuts on him at 23, that kind of symbolises how his typical aging process has become irrelevant. He's a new man now. Well, more machine than man... There’s something quite disturbing that he becomes Vader that young. Like at 23, being imprisoned in an iron lung till your dying breath. And like you said, the aging process no longer matters. You’re always gonna look like a shadow. Yeah, a shadow, exactly. Like the "shadow on the wall" teaser poster for Episode I, looming behind a humble, slightly sullen Anakin, trudging along, yet frozen in time. It's also brought up in AOTC when Anakin (the new "grown up" version of Anakin) in his opening scene tells Obi-Wan that he hasn't seen Padme (being played by the same actress) in ten years. The wording has an absolutist connotation, despite the freaky pitch-shift of going straight from Jake to Hayden. Later on, Lama Su tells Obi-Wan that a batch of clones below them was created "about five years ago". About, not precisely. George can go meta with the best of 'em. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 1:28:49 GMT
Anakin is 23 in ROTS. This is a hill I'm ready to die on I think most of us agree that that's his age in ROTS. Your symmetry thing is outstanding. Who, in light of that, would want Anakin to be a different age when he becomes Vader? It's funny how particular we can be about this. It doesn't matter at all, yet it does. Anyway, I want to get to some of the other replies now. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 31, 2022 1:41:09 GMT
Psychologically speaking, whether Anakin is 9 or 10 is a big deal. If he's 10 when he meets Padmé, he is noticeable less childly, that little bit more mature, and we get less of the memelords who never shut up about the age gap.
Here's how I neatly sum up Anakin:
10 Episode I
20 Episode II
23 Episode III
46 Episode VI (Dies)
Fun fact: Hayden is now approaching the age of Vader in ANH.
The best thing we can do is use the rounding system. For the incomplete year, 6 months and above - round up; less than 6 months - round down.
Did you guys not remember saying your age as "eight and a half" or "ten and a half" back in primary or elementary school? That's what we did anyway. When you're at that age, the years go very slowly. I'm sure Anakin would use that too.
Another hill I will die on: Anakin is not a mere "teenager" in AOTC, he's a college aged kid, with all the immaturity they tend to have. ROTS Anakin is post-college, become much more mature.
There's a long history of Hollywood casting twenty something for teenage roles though, isn't there? I'm reminded of things like Saved by the Bell - high school dramas.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 1:52:10 GMT
Psychologically speaking, whether Anakin is 9 or 10 is a big deal. If he's 10 when he meets Padmé, he is noticeable less childly, that little bit more mature, and we get less of the memelords who never shut up about the age gap. He can be nine, about to turn ten. He's even vague, when he meets Padme, about how long he's been on Tatooine. Interesting. Two solid decadal blocks (I and II), a three-year upgrade (III), a doubling (VI). I think it adds a bit to the storytelling and overall atmosphere of the PT that we never know Anakin's exact age. There's an ambiguous, phasic quality to so much of the prequels, when you get right down to it. We never even learn of Palpatine's first name. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 31, 2022 3:04:25 GMT
Did anyone else think, upon first seeing the thumbnail of Part II, that it was a de-aged Obi-Wan from the Clone War era, and possibly even a Clone War era episode? It got me fierce excited for a while.
Obi-Wan looks veeerrry youthful.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 3:19:39 GMT
Did anyone else think, upon first seeing the thumbnail of Part II, that it was a de-aged Obi-Wan from the Clone War era, and possibly even a Clone War era episode? It got me fierce excited for a while.
Obi-Wan looks veeerrry youthful.
No, I never felt that. He looks like Disney-era Obi-Wan pointing a gun. It's all in the way he's dressed. |
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Post by jppiper on May 31, 2022 4:09:10 GMT
Anakin is 23 in ROTS. This is a hill I'm ready to die on I think most of us agree that that's his age in ROTS. Your symmetry thing is outstanding. Who, in light of that, would want Anakin to be a different age when he becomes Vader? It's funny how particular we can be about this. It doesn't matter at all, yet it does. Anyway, I want to get to some of the other replies now. Idiots who think he Should have been older in Episode I! |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 4:26:28 GMT
Can I just take the opportunity to thank Entertainment Weekly for this splendid headline: Now there's a writer who can connect the OT with the PT  Contrast Devan to the clown from Time magazine (see page 20) who had the nerve to write a "Time to forgive Hayden Christensen" article at the onset of the new series, which we then firmly debunked, and Twitter tore her to shreds. The EW piece is worth reading: I've been meaning to delve into the various main media and social media responses to the show. I've done that a little bit already, reading a handful of pages/reviews so far, and the response seems mixed to positive? However, when I jumped into the comments for the original trailer just now, which has swelled to 18,037,469 views and 36,216 comments (compared to 7,312,215 views and 25,525 comments within the first 24 hours of its release -- as stated in Reply #176 of mine back on March 10th), I saw that there are plenty of negative ones coming in, if set to date order ("newest first"). Here's a few that have been posted since the show debuted on Disney+ (I'm ignoring older ones): David Kenyon, 13 hours agoWill this sh$t ever end?Drwuwho, 17 hours agoDisney used to be a big part of my childhood. Fund memories of Aladin, The Lion King and so on.
Now Disney is destroying the memories I had of my childhood, whilst calling me a racist, sexist or what ever, because I don't like the "new and better" star wars.JD, 1 day agoThey should've called it 'Sassy 10yr old Leia' instead :/Deniz D, 1 day agoEven any 20-minute episode of Clone Wars is more Obi-Wan than the first two episodes of this series. (The cliché of the weakened hero, the cliché of one last mission, the cliché of bounty hunters...) Even if they had remade the episodes with Satine from Clone Wars, the episodes with Maul, the episodes with Asajj Ventress as live action, the whole world would be talking about this series right now. . I can't help wondering what this series would have been like if Dave Filoni had made it.Frederick Fjaerbu, 1 day agoCan’t believe I reactivated my subscription for this 🙄Lightening McQueen, 2 days agoHow fascinating, Obi-Wan watching Luke as a child.(direct response to the last one): Just David, 13 hours agoPretty much. Because that is the most exciting thing he does in this new series for 2 hours.Jc, 2 days agoJust seen the second episode… it’s pretty bad. Ewan mcregor is good but it’s a pretty dull, cringy, sloppy writing, ‘let’s make this appeal to kids’ type of series. Was hoping it’d be more on par with the mandolorian tbh 😒🤷🏻♂️СтарБлэйд, 2 days agoDeborah Chow, i think is not perfect Director for Star Wars. First 2 series are big disappointment for all fans around the globe. Jesus Christ. Cinematography is good. Ewan McGregor is brilliant. But Deborah Chow, omg , very disappointingIkah Loayza, 2 days agoI just came back to change my like to a dislike. Another bait. I just wonder why Kathleen Kennedy and Disney hate men so muchUSE ME AS A DISLIKE BUTTON, 2 days agoGina Carano did nothing wrongCryptic Coffee, 3 days agoOmg, that female inquisitor is the worst actress I have ever seen!SPi, 3 days agoShow is trash.vetal leonov, 3 days ago (edited)Disney PLEASE FIRE Caitlin Kennedy!! She's trashing Star Wars!!! Obi Wan deserves a better adaptation of the series!!! And now it hurts to look at it!!
P.S. Ewan McGregor is still amazing  WE Kurtz, 3 days agoReva makes this a tough watch whenever she's on-screen. Her real-life whiny victim of an actress makes it worse. I'm glad there are so many women in Hollywood to teach us that diversity is super bad.Brokejoker, 3 days agoLol, so when will we actually get a show about Kenobi? Right now Disney is setting up and conducting another bait and switch, and to be honest I’ve had it. Every time they push a show out, the show is never about the person they say it is. Hawkeye is about his daughter, Loki is about the female Loki, moon knight is about his wife, and now this show is about some garbage antagonist that no one cares about. I’m done with all Disney products until the shows and movies they produce are about the actual characters.M U, 3 days ago (edited)That was.not the Obi-wan that I liked.
That was just miserable, hopeless, helps no one, even girl, and weak, brutal. There was no attractiveness in him. Just sad.
He should’ve been written better.
He is the master Obiwan you know!?plop pill, 3 days agoAny criticism of any Disney project now immediately makes you a racistTRILLION CROWNS, 3 days agoNOT A GLIMPSE OF THE ANNOYING LITTLE GIRL IN NONE OF THE TRAILERS!!!!! THEY GOT US AGAIN BOYS..... WHAT A TRASH SHOW... BEST PART WAS THE ONE MINUTE INTRO SHOWING THE PREQUELS!!!!!------------------------------------------------------------------- The fandom menace strikes again. I'm trying to figure out what is going on here. When I gathered up a whole welter of comments back on March 17th ( Reply #202), one week after the trailer debuted, there was an extraordinary number of positive ones. Most people seemed to be looking forward to the series and gushing that this looked more prequel-friendly than anything Disney had put out before. But now? Now most of the new ones are negative and bitching about "woke politics" once more. There aren't many new comments, either. I think I literally posted around 30% of all the comments that go back as far as that last one. Is Disney enacting some kind of censorship here? That would be unfortunate. Pro or con, considered or idiotic, I'd like to see what is being said, even if some of the comments might come from bots or troll accounts (it really is a growing problem on the Internet, now, unfortunately). Yeah, people are idiots, this isn't news, but at least let the crowd have its say. Still, this isn't a bash of Disney on my part. I'm just puzzled that there's a noticeable switch from enthusiasm to denunciation, and if there would be anywhere people would go to vent their frustration, it would be YouTube -- so why the sparse number of new comments and what's with this change in attitude? All a bit strange. |
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Post by jppiper on May 31, 2022 5:24:46 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 5:53:56 GMT
You think he's any relation to GK? |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 6:35:23 GMT
I'm just gonna come right out and say it: I was never all that keen on OT heroes returning for a sequel chapter even where such was included in Lucas' own outlines. What we eventually got has only solidified my stance. So, am I to take it that means you're not too fussed about seeing Obi-(E)wan again, either? Or Bail, Breha, Owen, Beru, Anakin, et al.? I'm glad we're getting a bit more of these characters, and certainly these actors (or Simone Kessell (yes: Kessell) replacing Rebecca Jackson Mendoza in the case of Breha). Maybe none of this is super-necessary, and I welcome new characters any day (I like the Jedi faker Haja), but it's sometimes okay to see a bit more of existing ones operating within the vast sandbox Lucas created. However, new horizons are also welcome, and it's certainly about time Disney thought of actually exploring some. I think we can all lament the loss of televisual Lucas -- the thing (like his sequels) we never quite got. I'm with you in having some antipathy toward modern-day streaming content and in missing short-form cinematic narrative (the Marvel franchise is something I abhor), but that's also why I find this series appealing. It's only six episodes, a classic six-shooter, and then its bullets will be spent. This gives it a good shot at being more focused than more filler-dominated, derivative entertainments in the Star Wars universe and elsewhere. Of course, it may still be an ungainly compromise (how's about a two-part feature, Disney?), crushed down and then pumped full of television inanity from the big-budget movie it was originally conceived as. But I'm still prepared to take it for all that it is (or wants to be or will be). I've just been reading some reviews that certainly argue the same point: If only they hadn't bothered with "Rogue One", or "Solo", or even the ST, given the way they chose to do it, and just went straight onto this. It would probably have generated a lot of good will. They could even have attempted a "super series", some kind of sprawling inter-trilogy chronicle, with varying chapters, and dared to make it all at once, or one chapter after the other, covering various events and characters that all interconnect, rather than breaking their ideas into pieces and doing it all in fits and starts, looking for whatever niche they could fill in next, nervously gauging fan reaction every step of the way. Of course, it would have been too ambitious for them to attempt to tell a multitude of stories at once, but it would have constituted more of a feast. Something more "Silmarillion"-esque. Ah, well. Heh. Yeah, I guess, by comparison, there's more of a meat-and-potatoes thing (to steal Arch Duke's wording) going on with this series, rather than the empty calories of the ST. I'm struggling to find a prequel fan that isn't more enamoured of this than the sequels. Help us, "Obi-Wan Kenobi". You're our only hope. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 6:40:14 GMT
Cryo's random thought of the day:
Don't you just love the musicality of this era?
Luke, Leia
Beru, Breha
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