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Post by Darkslayer on Jun 13, 2022 19:24:59 GMT
Anyone else a big fan of the Middle-Earth books and films? The LOTR/Hobbit films are some of my favorite movies I've seen, and the Silmarillion is probably my favorite fictional book I've read.
Also, any thoughts on the upcoming series from Amazon? I'm a bit skeptical to be honest but intend to give it a chance all the same.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 13, 2022 21:56:22 GMT
I believe a good few people in the forum have axes to grind against Jackson and his trilogy as they perceived them to be rivals to Lucas' second trilogy, and the press made a lot of hay out of comparing the two back in the day. It might work best, therefore, to separate the conversation on the books from the films, as we've done for Herbert's Dune already. Screen drama is a very different form of fiction to the written form: the novel, the poem etc. It's never straightforward translating between the two.
The name of your thread suggests we might keep this thread focused on Tolkien's works  |
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 14, 2022 0:35:32 GMT
I believe a good few people in the forum have axes to grind against Jackson and his trilogy as they perceived them to be rivals to Lucas' second trilogy, and the press made a lot of hay out of comparing the two back in the day. It might work best, therefore, to separate the conversation on the books from the films, as we've done for Herbert's Dune already. Screen drama is a very different form of fiction to the written form: the novel, the poem etc. It's never straightforward translating between the two.
The name of your thread suggests we might keep this thread focused on Tolkien's works I'm not such a fan of the movies, and I struggled with the books, but I wouldn't say they need to be separate threads. Many people seem to view them as broadly of a piece with each other. To paraphrase Gandalf: Let the topic starter decide. |
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Post by Pyrogenic on Jun 14, 2022 1:11:36 GMT
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Post by Darkslayer on Jun 14, 2022 2:42:12 GMT
I believe a good few people in the forum have axes to grind against Jackson and his trilogy as they perceived them to be rivals to Lucas' second trilogy, and the press made a lot of hay out of comparing the two back in the day. It might work best, therefore, to separate the conversation on the books from the films, as we've done for Herbert's Dune already. Screen drama is a very different form of fiction to the written form: the novel, the poem etc. It's never straightforward translating between the two.
The name of your thread suggests we might keep this thread focused on Tolkien's works Well I love the films and the books so either topic is good by to discuss! |
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Post by Alexrd on Jun 14, 2022 10:29:44 GMT
I like the books and I appreciate the movies. In fact, even though for years I've always preferred and watched the extended versions, I've recently got a newfound appreciation for the theatrical versions as more carefully crafted movies than the extended editions.
I don't really care about the Amazon TV series. I have no doubt that it will be the dumpster fire that they keep advertising. Other franchises suffered the same fate, it was only a matter of time before it happened to Middle-earth.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 14, 2022 11:42:49 GMT
I'm not such a fan of the movies, and I struggled with the books, but I wouldn't say they need to be separate threads. Many people seem to view them as broadly of a piece with each other. To paraphrase Gandalf: Let the topic starter decide.
I think a lot of hardcore Tolkien fans would insist on the separation, they're every bit as meticulous on their mythology as we are on our Lucasian saga.
What I really find frustrating are the people who think they know all about an author when they watch a film that's derived from a novel they wrote. I mean, no, you don't, they're two extremely different mediums, and you haven't bothered to check out the original source. It's especially prevalent when it comes to Stephen King. People will give you every excuse not to pick up a book - they'll spend hours watching movies and eating popcorn, and then tell you reading a novel is too time consuming.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 15, 2022 3:04:57 GMT
I like the books and I appreciate the movies. In fact, even though for years I've always preferred and watched the extended versions, I've recently got a newfound appreciation for the theatrical versions as more carefully crafted movies than the extended editions. I actually think the extended versions are better. Much less chopped up than the theatrical cuts. They have more heft and soul. I'm not saying they don't drag, but everything by Peter Jackson drags. Probably. That voiceover in the teaser trailer is terrible:
"There's wonders in this world beyond our wandering."
I'm not such a fan of the movies, and I struggled with the books, but I wouldn't say they need to be separate threads. Many people seem to view them as broadly of a piece with each other. To paraphrase Gandalf: Let the topic starter decide. I think a lot of hardcore Tolkien fans would insist on the separation, they're every bit as meticulous on their mythology as we are on our Lucasian saga. Oh, I don't disagree with you, AD. I simply don't think any such persons are to be found at Naberrie Fields. If you look at the responses so far, you'll see there's a strong trend to consider the books and the movies as equally valid.
I have a music-making friend -- well, more of an ex-friend, these days (like most of my former friends). He once said that he couldn't understand reading a book because a song is over in three minutes. That's just the way some people are. Books are quite the mental investment, but that's also what makes them the weighty, special things they are.
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Post by Ingram on Jun 15, 2022 8:34:09 GMT
Probably. That voiceover in the teaser trailer is terrible:
"There's wonders in this world beyond our wandering."
That everything looks every bit as everythingly like everything else.
In the words of Auralnauts' Creepio: "What point in the timeline is this!?"
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Post by Alexrd on Jun 15, 2022 10:14:28 GMT
I actually think the extended versions are better. Much less chopped up than the theatrical cuts. They have more heft and soul. I'm not saying they don't drag, but everything by Peter Jackson drags. I like the extended versions, what they offer (other than more content) is context and connective tissue but at the expense of focus and pacing. This is not as noticeable in the first movie, but on the other two it is. I still think it was wrong to not have Saruman's death in ROTK. "There's wonders in this world beyond our wandering." lol |
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 15, 2022 12:44:25 GMT
Probably. That voiceover in the teaser trailer is terrible: "There's wonders in this world beyond our wandering."That everything looks every bit as everythingly like everything else. Basically. It's all the modern gloss disguising a lack of substance. And yeah, I like your pun. LOL. I actually think the extended versions are better. Much less chopped up than the theatrical cuts. They have more heft and soul. I'm not saying they don't drag, but everything by Peter Jackson drags. I like the extended versions, what they offer (other than more content) is context and connective tissue but at the expense of focus and pacing. This is not as noticeable in the first movie, but on the other two it is. The first probably benefits the most. Has less of a conveyor-belt feel of mechanically going from one place to the next. Sam lamenting the passing of the Elves, for instance, is a nice scene that adds to the melancholic texture of the film. Although, I've just never been a big fan of LOTR series, personally. "There's wonders in this world beyond our wandering." It's so bad. It's not even grammatically correct. J.R.R. Tolkien, this ain't! It strikes me as a poor paraphrase of that famous line in "Hamlet": There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio,
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Post by Pyrogenic on Jun 15, 2022 14:25:15 GMT
"Haven't you ever wondered what else is out there?" "There's wonders in this world beyond our wandering." "I can feel it." I would like...to smash 'em.  |
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 15, 2022 17:40:42 GMT
"Haven't you ever wondered what else is out there?" "There's wonders in this world beyond our wandering." "I can feel it." I would like...to smash 'em. I can feel a rival to "The Last Airbender" fast approaching! |
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