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Post by Subtext Mining on Dec 25, 2021 10:49:37 GMT
Even though Robin Williams said Liam Neeson was thrown off by acting in blue screen environments, Neeson does have this to say: I think that's the magic of myth and legend and these extraordinary stories that are thousands of years old that every culture in the world shares, and that we do recognize them when they're presented in a certain form, you know? That was a very clever thing that Lucas was able to do- was to reinterpret these ancient stories and tap into the psyche of the world, and the need to hear these stories. (From this Interview) George's tales, the Star Wars tales, have really tapped into a psyche in the world that modern popular culture has never done before. And to me that says yes, these films are incredibly well-made. But also it's tapping into a void that we as human beings- that we have kind of lost something. And George provides- these films are providing that good storytelling sense of myth. (From this Episode I Story Featurette)
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Post by Subtext Mining on Feb 24, 2022 10:35:34 GMT
Ewan McGregor is to the PT, as Obi-Wan is to Jar Jar.
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Post by Somny on Feb 26, 2022 2:36:14 GMT
"What's this?"
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Post by smittysgelato on Feb 27, 2022 0:26:38 GMT
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Post by jtn90 on Apr 28, 2022 9:20:50 GMT
Yeah, I should care what Ewan thinks of the prequels but I can not help feeling sad for it. I'm a Star wars fan thanks to the prequels and Obi Wan is my favourite character because the prequels. but Ewan bejaviour id very confusing because he keeps saying how the repection hurted him and how glad he is about the apreciation the prequels but he always adds to that hatred from time to time, Specially when he compares the new series whitth the pequels.
Did you see waht he recently said about the series?
"It was nice to come back and to bridge that gap between me and Alec Guinness. I got as much, or more, out of playing him this time than I did in the first three movies put together. That’s to do with the writing, and the people we were making the series with, and the technology, and how different everything is."
There is a lot of stuff to unpack here. when he said he got more than he did in the first three movies PUT TOGETHER. What does it means? I would be ok if he stopped on or more out of.. but the put together part irkes me the most because it insinuates "those prequels can't hold a candle over the magnificence of this new show" or " there is more quality in the first minutes of the first episode of this new series than in all the totallity of the prequel trilogy".
and what he sais about why he thinks that way? because of the writting and the people making the series. So he is saying the prequels were badly written and this show has good writting and now there is competent people making it and not that drunken authoritarian moster called George Lucas. The technology part is a beated horse and he ends whith how different everything is. what I undestood from that? prequels= Bad, Obi Wan show=Good
Of course this is just what I interpret reading it but if he didn't mean any of that then he worded it poorly. The lack of consistency in his opinion on the prequelsm akes him looks both ungrateful and disrespectful. Taking away from me not only repspect but also any feeling of he deserving this new oportunity. But most inportanly any feeling that his show is a tribute to the prequels and more of a "this show fixes the prequels" thing.
I just think that, regarding Star Wars he just want to be remembered for the Obi Wan show nad erase the prequels form his history with Star Wars.
The next Star War Celebration event confirmed him to sing autographs and also confirmed an Attack of the clones 20th anniversary panel but hte gest are unknow, the only thing that could redeem Ewan a bit to me is his presence and particippation in that panel,but I can't help but think is more probable he will put an an excuse not to go there even if he totally can and should, bacause he is not a minor character preciselly( I said on another thread that I see obi Wan in the prequels more as a co portagonist).
don't know if would be better or worse if he straight says, "The prequels are crap and I hated doing them and no I'm glad I'm doing a quality Star Wars product" still would be sad for us who admire his version of the character.
What is really bad is that for the prequels haters, a major actor talking bad about htem this legitimizes them being bad in their eyes.
What would be good is someone had the courage to (respectfully of course) calling him out for what he says, because he is very aware that there are prequel fans and he can't keep throwing the prequels under the bus because that means he is throwing those fans under the bus making a bad impression of the show he is promoting to them, also remind him he owes this new oportunity to the prequel trilogy.
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Post by starwarshexalogy on Apr 28, 2022 15:26:51 GMT
Good, one more reason for me to never bother to watch that show.
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Post by jppiper on Apr 28, 2022 18:55:05 GMT
Good, one more reason for me to never bother to watch that show. along with lore and continuity breaking
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Post by Cryogenic on Apr 28, 2022 21:21:26 GMT
Yeah, I should care what Ewan thinks of the prequels but I can not help feeling sad for it. I understand how you feel. It's kinda distasteful when a major cast member keeps laying into the prequels over and over and over. You can't help watching the films and thinking, "There's that guy I used to be a fan of. The guy that's kept pissing and moaning about these films and the incredible opportunity he was given ever since." What makes it more insulting is the boorish, entitled tone that is being displayed in the promotion of something new. Instead of the new thing being celebrated for its own qualities or tactfully spoken of as a complementary piece to the prequels, there's yet more prequel bashing being smuggled in. Honestly, what does it say about the new thing (e.g., "The Force Awakens") when the prequels must be invoked to elevate it -- as if it were made to "fix" the faults of the prequels and give people what they wanted all along? It's one thing for J.J. Abrams to do it. It's quite another when a prequel actor is running his mouth and embracing the same PR tactic. Nice. The comments appear to derive from the following source: www.gamesradar.com/ewan-mcgregor-obi-wan-kenobi-return-star-wars/I'm pleased that Ewan claims to have truly enjoyed himself this time around. It must suck to involve yourself in something that quickly becomes a chore and a disappointment. But again: He does it (as you've picked up) by hyperbolically inveighing against the prequels, which is the whole reason he got to do this new project in the first place. He appears, like many decorated celebrities, to be a tad narcissistic and lacking in self-awareness. Not very Jedi. Yep. Ewan seems to be floating out a reductive sentiment. By inflicting binary thinking on others, he's feeding into the media machine that constantly promotes simplistic, "us-vs.-them" memes, which only increases intolerance and division in the world. Shame on him. It's funny that Disney aspires to encompass the world and to provide entertainment for all (a highly dubious concept in itself, one must admit), yet many of the people working on their shows/projects are narrow-minded, ideological arseholes. Bingo. He comes off looking like a chump: a beta cad whining about how hard it was to execute a decent performance with all that horrible writing, terrible direction, and oppressive greenscreen (does this not tell us something about his acting abilities, maybe?). He should have learned by now to take a leaf out of his Jedi Master's book and comport himself more like Liam Neeson. Liam has never said anything untoward about working with Lucas or about the prequel he starred in. He has only ever expressed warmth and gratitude. Ewan, on the other hand, still acts like he's in his twenties, opining on this or that and thinking he's still some kind of anti-establishment rebel -- even as he blatantly sucks up to Disney in the same article, no less!!! Oh, you think, Ewan??? Jeebus. Why not just fellate Mickey Mouse and beg on camera to do more Disney projects for the next ten years? Or he wants A+ treatment -- which, by the sounds of it, he received on this project which has his character's name as the title of the damn series, but not so much when making the prequels, where Lucas had a thousand things to consider, a thousand pieces to orient and align. I really don't know what to make of Ewan or Star Wars under Disney anymore. It's such a twisted situation. It feels like prequel fans have been gaslit from Day One. Yeah, I know. It's an overused word these days. But it really fits here. Okay, here's a good joke: Q: How many Ewans does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Obi-One. No, sorry. I'll do that again: Q: How many Ewans does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Ewan doesn't change lightbulbs. Ewan has evolved beyond the need for light. Ewan brings his own illumination to everything. Just don't interrupt Ewan's divine mission by mentioning the prequels. Every time Ewan looks into the night sky, the blackness of space reminds him of the prequels. Then he remembers he's his own source of light and doesn't need to change lightbulbs.
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Post by Samnz on Apr 29, 2022 6:48:42 GMT
This is just getting tiresome. I generally don't care what Ewan thinks, because it doesn't matter. That said, there is the fact that - just as Cryogenic said - his constant whining and derogatory comments towards the Prequels do hurt my enjoyment of his performance in the Prequels. When I watch a scene with him as Obi-Wan nowadays, there is starting to be this noticable voice in my head saying: "I don't want to see this guy anymore, because he obviously hated what he was doing and has ever since tarnished the good work he actually did with this never-ending whining and disrespectful comments he made afterwards.". Obi-Wan has always been only my third-favourite main character of the Prequels, but Ewan's attitude nevertheless annoys me. It's sad, because earlier this week I just thought he - just maybe - learnt his lesson when I came across this quote: I was wrong.
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Post by Cryogenic on Apr 29, 2022 16:50:35 GMT
This is just getting tiresome. Isn't it? Ewan is like a broken record at this point. Yeah. It's not particularly rare that actors are indifferent or even doleful of past projects and roles, but they don't usually keep picking at the same wound. Ewan is also punching down at an underdog. Despite the enormous financial success of the prequels, and the fact that there are plenty of fans of the prequels around (and increasingly speaking up about them now), they are still an object of scorn and derision; still entangled in the thorns and thistles of twenty years of rampant critique and vicious naysaying. It isn't big or kind of Ewan to keep disavowing them, least of all in service of propping up another Star Wars project -- and one that is meant to tie into the prequels, pretty directly, at that. He must think he still has the ear of the average fanboy. This shows some insularity on his part. Then again, it's probably not going to harm him anything. He probably wouldn't still be banging that drum otherwise. If he were more like his character, he'd be more whimsical about his involvement, speaking to the good and the bad, and ultimately soldiering on and showing some loyalty in the process. Obi-Wan, after all, claims to be on Anakin's side with regard to the Jedi Council giving him his mission to spy on Palpatine, and he defends Anakin on the gunship to Mace and Yoda, but he also comes out in defence of the Jedi path and the Republic when the world (thanks to Anakin siding with Palpatine) has turned against him. Ewan, by contrast, just isn't that heroic or redoubtable, it would seem. Although his work with UNICEF is commendable. Well, back on the first page of this thread, one year ago to this very day, I shared another Ewan quote where he also spoke more positively about them a while ago: www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/01/25-best-movie-scenes?verso=trueLooking back, I wonder if that was his way of daubing down his criticism a bit because he was mindful of the Obi-Wan miniseries and trying not to come across like he was defaming the character. He was officially confirmed to be starring in the show in August 2019, and the Vanity Fair article dates to January of that year. As Ewan has subsequently said, he had to keep his involvement a secret for several years. Thus, he was obviously being careful with his words as they pertained to the upcoming project, careful not to lend the impression he was keen to obliterate all memory of Star Wars. Indeed, "this link to Alec Guinness" is an interesting turn-of-phrase, when juxtaposed against the miniseries, which is set ten years after ROTS and all that closer to the timeframe of the OT. This morsel therefore gives a hint that Ewan, while not necessarily insincere, was at least being tactical when he qualified his criticism in that concise manner. But that still doesn't mean Ewan is especially self-aware. It merely indicates that he knows which way his bread is buttered. He doesn't seem to understand the more fundamental problem. To give him his due, I think ArchdukeOfNaboo nailed it back in the first reply to this thread: If one makes a sequel, or a spin-off, or a follow-on, or whatever, do you really need to thrash the original work? Is that what you think will encourage people to watch the new material? Seriously? Do you have any idea of how common viewer thinks outside your Hollywood ivory tower and its fawning media partners? It's the prequel fan whose been hounding Disney for so many years that have made this, and prompted a whole script re-write that gives you a much larger role.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Apr 29, 2022 17:02:44 GMT
This is why I have such respect for Ian McDiarmid and Hayden Christensen. They have been nothing but professional, grateful and courteous. In my opinion, they also happen to be the two finest actors in the saga. Their characters were the most complex and difficult to play, and they pulled it off. Obi-Wan I always found too one-note and vanilla, preferring the more morally grey Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan was just a second string character to me. I never got his popularity that came from the memes and The Clone Wars.
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Post by Cryogenic on Apr 29, 2022 17:21:52 GMT
This is why I have such respect for Ian McDiarmid and Hayden Christensen. They have been nothing but professional, grateful and courteous. In my opinion, they also happen to be the two finest actors in the saga. Their characters were the most complex and difficult to play, and they pulled it off. Obi-Wan I always found too one-note and vanilla, preferring the more morally grey Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan was just a second string character to me. I never got his popularity that came from the memes and The Clone Wars. I dig Ewan's portrayal in all three films. I think his character also gets weightier and more substantial, along with his performance, in each film. In fact, I share George Lucas' evaluation on the ROTS commentary track that Ewan really shines and carries the picture in its final act. I can still look past Ewan's personal/professional hangups if only because he does a very "good job" in that last stretch. And when Obi-Wan hands baby Luke off to the Lars and turns away, rubbing his beard, I can almost detect a deeper note of satisfaction from Ewan himself, glad to have made it to the end and to have been the one chosen to be that "link to Alec Guinness". It's certainly not all bad. In fact, I hope Ewan one day recovers some of his early boyish enthusiasm, nicely captured in this raw moment in "The Beginning": ( 29:29) EWAN (whispering while lying on the crash mats): "Fucccckkk!"
EWAN (glancing at NICK GILLARD as he climbs to his feet): "'Do you wanna do Star Wars?', they said. I said, 'Too fucking right!'"Please, let's have that Ewan back.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Apr 29, 2022 17:29:45 GMT
I don't know if it's just because he's a young Scottish man, but I get a definite Scottish soccer hooligan vibe from Ewan especially in the AotC behind the scenes talks. Most of all, I like how Rick McCallum cusses casually when he talks to Ewan on the phone. That man knows how to meet people where they're at
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Post by Cryogenic on Apr 29, 2022 18:00:12 GMT
I don't know if it's just because he's a young Scottish man, but I get a definite Scottish soccer hooligan vibe from Ewan especially in the AotC behind the scenes talks. Most of all, I like how Rick McCallum cusses casually when he talks to Ewan on the phone. That man knows how to meet our people where they're at It's funny how that part is uncensored. I can't remember if it's the same on the DVD. Later on, however, in the YouTube upload, Rick McCallum greets the lively crowd, gathered to watch the midnight premiere of the film in San Francisco (man, how I'd love to have been there!), with an f-bomb of approval that is blanked out: ( 1:04:30) RICK: "This is f----ing awesome!!!" Well, partially blanked out. Rick can be heard, or partially heard, cussing quite a lot in the documentary. Pay close attention to the mid-point of the documentary in Tunisia, right after the storm hits and causes significant damage. There's a few f-bombs in that passage. Anyway, yeah, I suppose you could call the young Ewan a ned (Scottish term) or a scallywag (English term with Scottish roots). Ned seems to be a bit more derogatory than scallywag. But Ewan had that quality about him back then. After all, he got the prequel job largely on the strength of his role in "Trainspotting", which gave him something of a brash, edgy, Young Turk persona. It is actually surprising how restrained the character of Obi-Wan is in Episode I by comparison. No wonder people thought the performances in TPM were quite muted overall. Lucas kinda sandbagged everyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 10:00:58 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on May 3, 2022 19:25:04 GMT
I came across this little Christopher Lee gem on the BD extras and thought it'd be appropriate for this thread: "Somebody asked me - I can't remember when - they said: 'What's it like when you work in front of a blue screen? You don't see anything and there's nothing behind the camera - and you're not getting anything coming back from behind the camera... because there isn't anything there.'I said: 'Well, I've often had that experience with a lot of my colleagues.'"
You work with what you've been given! Christopher Lee is probably the best thing to ever happen to Star Wars.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 21:53:20 GMT
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Post by Ingram on May 3, 2022 22:21:20 GMT
While I understand that such all but undermines
the very point of this thread's engagement,
I nonetheless consider it a healthy daily vitamin,
even in this case with the continuance of McGregor's comments.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 4, 2022 1:24:25 GMT
While I understand that such all but undermines
the very point of this thread's engagement,
I nonetheless consider it a healthy daily vitamin,
even in this case with the continuance of McGregor's comments.
Yes, of course. But we can still tactically call him an asshole. Because it's fun. The prequels remain the underdog of early 2000s sci-fi/fantasy digital cinema. As the steady torch-bearer of the franchise -- or: as the recipient of the gift of playing said character -- Ewan McGregor should really know better. He's entitled to his opinion. And we, as prequel fans, are entitled to call out douche-y behaviour when it appears. Which it frequently has done with these movies. Nevertheless, like you said, Ewan's just an actor, and actors are image-conscious and crave attention. Well, not all actors. But some seem to let the spotlight go to their heads. And then, when they work for Disney, it's almost like it becomes contractually obligated for actors and crewmembers to dump on the prequels. It's a funny world we live in.
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Post by jppiper on May 27, 2022 16:47:56 GMT
I came across this little Christopher Lee gem on the BD extras and thought it'd be appropriate for this thread: "Somebody asked me - I can't remember when - they said: 'What's it like when you work in front of a blue screen? You don't see anything and there's nothing behind the camera - and you're not getting anything coming back from behind the camera... because there isn't anything there.'I said: 'Well, I've often had that experience with a lot of my colleagues.'"
You work with what you've been given! Happy 100th Birthday and RIP Christopher Lee
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