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Post by Samnz on Jun 17, 2021 19:05:57 GMT
Great contributions. I also like how Lucas literally used dialogue as a background sound effect from time to time in AOTC. The scene with Anakin and Obi-Wan debating about Palpatine's political machinations while the second assassination attempt is on the way is one example. Another example is Obi-Wan sneaking around on Geonosis while we hear Dooku plotting with the Separatists. Very well edited. ![]() I also love this transition. ![]() ![]()  ![]() After Anakin's nightmare, it's a remarkabl ![]() y peaceful way of waking up on N ![]() aboo. |
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Post by Samnz on Jul 24, 2021 13:33:09 GMT
Another scene that I think is very well edited is the Nightclub Scene in AOTC. We enter the club and get to see how crouded it is, directly followed by panning shot through the club...   Then both Jedi go their respective path and Anakin is left with this griping red in the background, which I always liked...  What follows are shots of Anakin, looking for the assassin...  Intercut with a dose of humour...  until the assassin is revealed to the viewer...  and appears to be targeting this guy...  who is being distracted by the ladies...  until it's too late...?   Oh not! It's Obi-Wan!
 followed by a reaction shot of alarmed faces...   and Anakin back moderating "Jedi business"...  It's a good scene that's neither heavy on dialogue nor action. Just an exciting set piece mixed with varied camera angles and clean editing. |
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Post by Somny on Aug 9, 2021 15:44:02 GMT
In AOTC, Anakin rushes off to search for his mother and her captors, the Sand People. After some intense shots of Anakin racing across the desert in his swoop bike accompanied by an all-out arrangement of "Duel of the Fates", we see Anakin stop to speak to a Jawa at one of their outposts.
For the longest time, I've found the peculiar sustainment of this particular shot slyly humorous and considerably meaningful. Anakin, in all his mad passion and anger, ends up lost and in need of directions! It undercuts the grace of Anakin's fiery trek and suggests a great deal about the basic pitfall of emotional highs.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 11, 2021 17:01:04 GMT
And I love the music for the night club scene, and coming just off the heels of the chase sequence. It does such a great job of building the tension, but also giving it a swanky, noir graphic novel feel, then going into the underrated Palpatine's Plotting theme. In AOTC, Anakin rushes off to search for his mother and her captors, the Sand People. After some intense shots of Anakin racing across the desert in his swoop bike accompanied by an all-out arrangement of "Duel of the Fates", we see Anakin stop to speak to a Jawa at one of their outposts. For the longest time, I've found the peculiar sustainment of this particular shot slyly humorous and considerably meaningful. Anakin, in all his mad passion and anger, ends up lost and in need of directions! It undercuts the grace of Anakin's fiery trek and suggests a great deal about the basic pitfall of emotional highs.
Yes, all great points. However, I'd always thought Anakin stopped at the Jawa's outpost not because he got lost and needed directions, per se. But because he was asking if they'd seen any Tusken tribe movement in the area lately or knew where any nearby camps might be. Either way it does add levity as well as a poignant human element to this intense sequence in a notably matured Lucasian way. And this gorgeous shot reminds me of many of the shots in The Dawn Of Man sequence in 2001:ASO |
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Post by Somny on Aug 11, 2021 17:20:19 GMT
In AOTC, Anakin rushes off to search for his mother and her captors, the Sand People. After some intense shots of Anakin racing across the desert in his swoop bike accompanied by an all-out arrangement of "Duel of the Fates", we see Anakin stop to speak to a Jawa at one of their outposts. For the longest time, I've found the peculiar sustainment of this particular shot slyly humorous and considerably meaningful. Anakin, in all his mad passion and anger, ends up lost and in need of directions! It undercuts the grace of Anakin's fiery trek and suggests a great deal about the basic pitfall of emotional highs. Yes, all great points. However, I'd always thought Anakin stopped at the Jawa's outpost not because he got lost and needed directions, per se. But because he was asking if they'd seen any Tusken tribe movement in the area lately or knew where any nearby camps might be. Either way it does add levity as well as a poignant human element to this intense sequence in a notably matured Lucasian way. And this gorgeous shot reminds me of many of the shots in The Dawn Of Man sequence in 2001:ASO I suppose the moment is open to some interpretation but I'm sure Anakin was gritting his teeth throughout that entire interaction. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Aug 12, 2021 1:53:47 GMT
Yes, all great points. However, I'd always thought Anakin stopped at the Jawa's outpost not because he got lost and needed directions, per se. But because he was asking if they'd seen any Tusken tribe movement in the area lately or knew where any nearby camps might be. Either way it does add levity as well as a poignant human element to this intense sequence in a notably matured Lucasian way. And this gorgeous shot reminds me of many of the shots in The Dawn Of Man sequence in 2001:ASO I suppose the moment is open to some interpretation but I'm sure Anakin was gritting his teeth throughout that entire interaction. It's also like Anakin embracing his "mini Emperor" and turning away from the "little heaven" of the sandcrawlers. In a way, the sandcrawler interiors and the Jawa camp represent Anakin's last chance to retreat back to some kind of basic communal safety. Beyond this point is the true wilderness, and when the film cuts back to Anakin, nighttime has fallen. The little delay between the Jawa turning and walking away, and then Anakin doing the same, is also interesting. The Jawa ambles off and Anakin stands there for a brief moment, as if pondering the simple existence they lead, and perhaps his own past under Watto and his mother. The Jawas collect junk and Anakin was once happy working with junk and making personal projects from it -- like C-3PO, the droid he has left behind at the homestead. When I think more about it, there's a weird link with C-3PO and R2-D2 both getting captured by the Jawas in ANH ("Anakin" and "Padme"). Moreover, Threepio later complains that he can't abide the Jawas and calls them "disgusting creatures". It's like a fragment of Anakin's conscience, corrupted by the Dark Side, has been displaced onto his robotic creation, and Anakin is echoically blaming the Jawas for giving him a tipoff to the location of the Tusken camp, as if his actions that night were their fault (just as he blames Obi-Wan in the Lars garage and accuses him of being jealous). Maybe the outline of the Jawa also reminds him of Padme, who accompanied Anakin to Tatooine and is first seen in a similar garment covering her head. The scene resonates with Anakin and Padme embracing as silhouettes against the homestead dome. Again, it accentuates the feeling that this is Anakin's last chance to turn back, and in his momentary hesitancy, perhaps he is pondering that very possibility himself. The moment also poignantly captures how alone Anakin is. In fact, both the Jawa and Anakin retreat to machine transports. But while the machine transport of the Jawas is also a kind of enclosed village that brings them companionship, it's just Anakin and his swoop bike as he prepares to ride away into that cold, cold night. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 16, 2021 8:00:08 GMT
It's also like Anakin embracing his "mini Emperor" and turning away from the "little heaven" of the sandcrawlers. In a way, the sandcrawler interiors and the Jawa camp represent Anakin's last chance to retreat back to some kind of basic communal safety. Beyond this point is the true wilderness, and when the film cuts back to Anakin, nighttime has fallen And it seems to me he has his arms folded across his chest, foreshadowing his famous Vader pose. And have I mentioned how much I love silhouette shots. Yeah, when he travels underneath that stone arch it's like he crosses a threshold in his life, entering into the dark night of the soul that will forever change him.  "I don't want things to change." "But you can't stop the change, any more than you can stop the suns from setting."  |
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Post by Gen on Feb 3, 2022 7:22:01 GMT
Palpatine appointing Anakin his personal representative. Starts en mise but it was originally the last half of a longer scene of Palpatine seeding doubt in Anakin's head, much of which was moved to the scene where he reveals himself as Sith. There is just this strange quality it elicits coming off of Obi-Wan's line from the scene prior: "All of this is unusual, and it's making me uneasy". Which perfectly substitutes for the unease Palpatine creates in the first half of the original scene. So it then becomes Obi-Wan's line, an establishing shot of Palpatine's office, a shot of Anakin and Palpatine walking in sync with no dialogue, then Palpatine turns to Anakin and says "I hope you trust me, Anakin". All set to this suggestively morose music. It says more with less.
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Post by smittysgelato on Feb 3, 2022 21:15:35 GMT
Palpatine appointing Anakin his personal representative. Starts en mise but it was originally the last half of a longer scene of Palpatine seeding doubt in Anakin's head, much of which was moved to the scene where he reveals himself as Sith. There is just this strange quality it elicits coming off of Obi-Wan's line from the scene prior: "All of this is unusual, and it's making me uneasy". Which perfectly substitutes for the unease Palpatine creates in the first half of the original scene. So it then becomes Obi-Wan's line, an establishing shot of Palpatine's office, a shot of Anakin and Palpatine walking in sync with no dialogue, then Palpatine turns to Anakin and says "I hope you trust me, Anakin". All set to this suggestively morose music. It says more with less. Agreed. I have always found that scene to be strangely hypnotic. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Feb 4, 2022 14:17:23 GMT
Ah yes! A lot of scenes and dialogues were shuffled around and reorganized in Revenge of the Sith, giving it a disorienting, disjointed feeling. Which is very apropos! I mean it in a good way, because it serves the story so effectively - even if wasn't intentional. I mean, look at what Palpatine is doing to the galaxy, to everyone's lives, to their concepts of good and evil, to the Jedi, to the Republic, to democracy. Just like with Attack of the Clones, people complain that it looks too digital and fake. But what digital fakeness there may be to the look, I think adds to the story of Palpatine pulling the (digital) wool over everyone's eyes. Bringing everyone into his Republic-turned-Empire is deftly conveyed simply with the films going from analog to digital. The characters feel something is off, a little different, something making them feel a bit uneasy, but they can't quite put their finger on it. Sort of like how the architectural layout in the Overlook Hotel in Kubrick's film The Shining doesn't logically connect up, giving the viewer a subconscious sense of unease, as the character Jack looses his mind throughout the film. Maps here. |
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Post by Gen on Feb 4, 2022 15:25:37 GMT
I think George is aware of the ambiguity/disjoint his brutal editing can unearth- through scenes, between scenes and by chopping up scenes. He’s talked about disorienting the viewer before, and how the characters themselves are constantly making poor decisions due to a lack of information, the very idea of the “shroud of the dark side”, stuff like that. And I agree that it serves ROTS and the prequels very well. I want to make a thread about this kind of “haze” the prequels especially carry, but it’s pretty abstract...
Agree about the digital uncanniness being intentional too, or him just being aware of it. I know Lucas has spoken about his desire to make SW look like a strange animated comic. Despite the effect work not “technically” being up to modern levels, I tend to think the way the effects have been DIRECTED blow away anything from the last 15 years. Directed within the scene as well as the art direction.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 11, 2022 4:44:46 GMT
Dang, pretty on-the-nose foreshadowing and clue dropping. Yoda in blue, like a Jedi's laser sword.  Enclosed by Palpatine's crimson red.   |
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 11, 2022 5:15:30 GMT
Yoda's rule was at an end before he even knew it (at least until the Clone Wars made it clear he knew the Jedi were boned) and in Sidious' twisted little world..."Not short enough if it was."
Too soon?
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