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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 15, 2021 22:27:13 GMT
Pretty much. Lucas is so careful at developing scenes, blocking, editing, tying all the pieces together, and then inventing new pieces to rhyme or resonate against the existing ones. And his camera work is unbeatable. I'm not sure what Abrams was trying to do in TFA with that scene on the base. To have Chewie and Leia fail to acknowledge each other after such a significant event as the loss of Han is unconscionable. His excuse is he was focused on setting up a connection between Rey and Leia instead, and that Chewie was supposedly distracted by the condition of Finn, and he overlooked the Chewie-Leia connection in that process. But that seems like a really blatant thing to overlook -- and how did anyone else not notice? Maybe he was trying to outdo Lucas not giving Chewie a medal at the end of ANH. and they gave him a medal at the end of TROS ignoring what lucas said about wookies not accepting medals That's such a weird fanservicey moment. It makes no sense to general audiences. The only thing weirder about that scene is the Lando-Jannah moment, which makes sense to no one. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 15, 2021 23:28:35 GMT
Getting butthurt over Chewie not getting a medal is a classic case of missing the point. The award ceremony is about Han and Luke, it has nothing to do with Chewie. The celebration is in honour of Han and Luke's brotherly bond, the bond that the survival of the Rebels depended upon. Earlier in the movie, it is Obi-Wan that brings Han and Luke together in the Cantina. Once Obi-Wan goes running off to de-activate the tractor beam, something else has to come into the story to keep Han and Luke together: the rescue of the Princess. Who more appropriate than Leia to present Han and Luke with the medals that honor their brotherhood?
It isn't a knock against Chewie that he doesn't get a medal.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 15, 2021 23:36:48 GMT
I think the explanation is quite simple: since he knows he's under Qui-Gon's care, Anakin is just signaling Qui-Gon if he's OK with him going with the Queen's entourage. That's my first instinct too. But the music cue is so distressing, that it at least says something about Anakin psychologically. And the fact that of ALL the scenes in TPM to be described in the Darth Plagueis novel, it was this one. There's something up with Anakin in this scene. If it is just a simple character moment, I don't understand why it attracts so much attention to itself. There's a similar-ish moment in ROTS when Anakin is denied the title of "Master". He goes, "What?" and there's a sinister musical overtone, with Mace looking some mixture of disappointed and concerned, even a touch fearful. Both times, Anakin is caught up (to some degree) in the scheming of the Sith. Both times, his supposed or presumed elevation into the ranks of the Jedi (TPM), or the Jedi Council itself (ROTS), doesn't go well. The TPM scene is still very much its own thing, though. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 15, 2021 23:49:58 GMT
and they gave him a medal at the end of TROS ignoring what lucas said about wookies not accepting medals That's such a weird fanservicey moment. It makes no sense to general audiences. The only thing weirder about that scene is the Lando-Jannah moment, which makes sense to no one. I don't think it has to make sense to general audiences. They can follow along well enough. Chewie is receiving an item that took on symbolic importance to Leia (she was holding it when making contact with Ben before dying) -- it has become, in essence, a family heirloom. That said, I'm not sure I noticed Leia holding the medal on my first viewing. The Lando-Jannah moment is a bit more obscure. Lando is meant to be offering her the chance to find out where she comes from; since, like Finn, she was plucked from birth and abducted by the First Order to become a stormtrooper. It's also a nice rhyme with Han offering Rey a job on the Falcon in TFA. That said, all of this stuff just feels like dotting i's and crossing t's. Is it as monumental, as poignant, as affirmative, as resolute as the endings to ROTS and ROTJ? I don't think so. But I like the hopeful, homecoming tone all the same. Getting butthurt over Chewie not getting a medal is a classic case of missing the point. The award ceremony is about Han and Luke, it has nothing to do with Chewie. The celebration is in honour of Han and Luke's brotherly bond, the bond that the survival of the Rebels depended upon. Earlier in the movie, it is Obi-Wan that brings Han and Luke together in the Cantina. Once Obi-Wan goes running off to de-activate the tractor beam, something else has to come into the story to keep Han and Luke together: the rescue of the Princess. Who more appropriate than Leia to present Han and Luke with the medals that honor their brotherhood? It isn't a knock against Chewie that he doesn't get a medal. Oh, for sure. It got blown way out of proportion over the years. But in TROS, I think it's mainly meant as a wink-nod to the whole debacle. They'd come to the end of the "Skywalker Saga", so why not? *SPOILER ALERT* The sabers are buried by Rey, but Chewie gets to keep a token of Han and Leia. Maz telling Chewie the medal is his is also poignant, and perhaps has other meanings, since Maz was keeping hold of Luke's saber and that thing called out to Rey. Same with Vader's helmet being Kylo's means of contacting his grandfather. The characters are meant to have a wider understanding of the Force at the end of the saga. Objects now have a renewed significance and vigour of their own -- at least, when they find their rightful owners. |
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Post by Gen on Jun 16, 2021 9:01:41 GMT
As Rutger Hauer once observed, "Film is about the little details."So I'm wondering: Are there any details that it took you a while to notice? And what might some of your favourite small details of the Star Wars Saga actually be?NOTE: These details can be visual, aural, a piece of dialogue, a small story event, etc. -- whatever you personally find captivating or relevant.      
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jun 17, 2021 1:49:13 GMT
Interestingly, this very moment is sensed by Sidious (or was it Dooku) in the Darth Plagueis novel. He sees a boy on the platform turning around. I wish I could find the exact quote, but it's in there. That is interesting. I never got around to reading the book, though I should. It's where my username comes from. I've read it 4 or 5 times. Luceno in top form. Don't get Alex started on it though  And, I think it was Plagueis who sensed that moment. I think he was observing from nearby and sensed something about Anakin. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jul 1, 2021 4:24:34 GMT
I've always liked the way when Padmé falls into the sand, she leaves imprints like a paper-doll chain, reinforcing the clone theme. It's kind of like a zoetrope of Jar Jars or Padmé clones that end in Padmé.  |
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Post by smittysgelato on Jul 1, 2021 4:32:13 GMT
That shot of Padme in the sand is simple yet so so so very lovely. She just needs to wave her arms to make a sand angel. She's from the Moons of the Iego, after all.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jul 9, 2021 18:31:28 GMT
The way the reflections of the twin suns glide down the sleek surface of Amidala's ship.  So majestic, so Star Wars. Also all of the warped reflections of the city below running along the curved features of the chrome spacecraft. It's even a little reminiscent of Anakin gently sliding his fingers across Padmé's back on Naboo. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jul 19, 2021 23:14:29 GMT
A few long-time favorites here. First, when Padmé reveals to Ani she loves him, he’s so genuinely surprised his scalp moves. You can see Hayden's hair shift back. Must be hard to pull that off on command.  Jar Jar's regal neck wag/head bob when he says “Lookie lookie, Senator"  And the way Palpatine faux-nervously flicks/twitches his fingers when Anakin ignites his lightsaber at the revelation that Palpatine is the Sith Lord.  |
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Post by Cryogenic on Jul 19, 2021 23:26:01 GMT
A few long-time favorites here. First, when Padmé reveals to Ani she loves him, he’s so genuinely surprised his scalp moves. You can see Hayden's hair shift back. Must be hard to pull that off on command. Jar Jar's regal neck wag/head bob when he says “Lookie lookie, Senator" And the way Palpatine faux-nervously flicks/twitches his fingers when Anakin ignites his lightsaber at the revelation that Palpatine is the Sith Lord. It's funny how so many little details stand out in the prequels in general. Doesn't really matter which movie, which scene -- they're there in abundance. |
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Post by Somny on Jul 30, 2021 12:14:58 GMT
Given the typical outcome of those who are first to aggress throughout the saga, I like how Obi-Wan ignites his lightsaber before Anakin does in the rematch with Dooku at the start of ROTS. Also, this bit of irony rhymes with Obi-Wan aerially bolting out of his crashing starfighter while Anakin takes care to unbuckle out of his own when landing on the Invisible Hand earlier in the same film.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jul 30, 2021 16:32:11 GMT
Given the typical outcome of those who are first to aggress throughout the saga, I like how Obi-Wan ignites his lightsaber before Anakin does in the rematch with Dooku at the start of ROTS. Also, this bit of irony rhymes with Obi-Wan aerially bolting out of his crashing starfighter while Anakin takes care to unbuckle out of his own when landing on the Invisible Hand earlier in the same film. Nice detail! But that's not Obi-Wan reacting to Dooku. It's Ewan lighting up his saber, about to destroy all that horrible green screen afflicting his eyes. |
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Post by Somny on Jul 30, 2021 20:18:02 GMT
In even more detail about that detail, Obi-Wan's lightsaber is more erect when lit up and even sounds a touch more aggressive than Anakin's in that aforementioned moment. You can just imagine Lucas casually sitting in the sound booth calling forth the powers of his sound designers to make it so.
A touch here, a touch there. I guess that's what's meant when others or I use the term "painterly" to describe Lucas' approach to filmmaking. |
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Post by mikeximus on Jul 31, 2021 6:37:07 GMT
I used this on TFN for a similar question, but, I enjoy this Sidious moment so much I don’t mind using it over and over!
The delivery of this double entendre is absolutely perfect and dripping with bad guy evilness. “He will… take care of you’
Just love this small little moment. Here’s the Separatists thinking they are free snd clear, all they have to do is what for Darth Vader to show up to bring them back to the Republic and be rewarded for their loyalty… and Sidious has other plans for what “take care of” means.
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Post by Gen on Aug 1, 2021 14:07:31 GMT
Given the typical outcome of those who are first to aggress throughout the saga, I like how Obi-Wan ignites his lightsaber before Anakin does in the rematch with Dooku at the start of ROTS. Also, this bit of irony rhymes with Obi-Wan aerially bolting out of his crashing starfighter while Anakin takes care to unbuckle out of his own when landing on the Invisible Hand earlier in the same film. IIRC, Obi lights up before anyone else in any duel. "The best defense is a quick and decisive offense" -TCW I miss the SE-PT era Lucasfilm logo. Going from silver to gold holofoil, reflected the change in trilogies very well, just felt special for some reason. It was an early 2000s thing.  |
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Post by Somny on Aug 1, 2021 16:31:53 GMT
Given the typical outcome of those who are first to aggress throughout the saga, I like how Obi-Wan ignites his lightsaber before Anakin does in the rematch with Dooku at the start of ROTS. Also, this bit of irony rhymes with Obi-Wan aerially bolting out of his crashing starfighter while Anakin takes care to unbuckle out of his own when landing on the Invisible Hand earlier in the same film. IIRC, Obi lights up before anyone else in any duel. "The best defense is a quick and decisive offense" -TCW - TPM duel with Maul - Obi-Wan lights up after Maul but before Qui-Gon
- AOTC fight with Jango - Obi-Wan lights up first
- AOTC duel with Dooku - Difficult to determine but it's not Dooku
- ROTS duel with Dooku - Obi-Wan lights up first
- ROTS duel with Grievous - Obi-Wan lights up first
- ROTS duel with Anakin - Obi-Wan lights up first
Yeah, you're about right! News to me! And it gels with the fact that Obi-Wan ultimately loses big after all is said and done in the PT. He loses the Chosen One, the Jedi Order, the Republic and even his confidence in his view of the Force. Almost all he stands for is shattered in the final calculation. And that "best defense" quote also underscores the dubiousness of his modus operandi of preemption.
Enjoyable small details, indeed. |
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Post by Pyrogenic on Aug 8, 2021 19:57:26 GMT
"Yes!"
"No!"
"I like treating the films as a kind of vade mecum one can dip in and out of at one's leisure."
"Page turners, they were not."
"Or an interactive cybertext."
"This is rarefied cracking."
"They're sort of designed for playing with and lollygagging in consort with -- kinda like an epic slot-car racing track or something."
"Look closer."
"Indeed, how you interact with or "read" the text determines what you get out of it."
"What do you see?"
"Input-Output."
"It's all a machine, partner."
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Post by Somny on Aug 14, 2021 21:50:27 GMT
Yes! I like treating the films as a kind of vade mecum one can dip in and out of at one's leisure. Or an interactive cybertext. They're sort of designed for playing with and lollygagging in consort with -- kinda like an epic slot-car racing track or something. Indeed, how you interact with or "read" the text determines what you get out of it. Input-Output. This response kinda flipped my shit. It gelled with the way I've felt about certain films for a long time by virtue of that aforementioned habit. I think the mark of truly marvelous film design is its approachability and appreciability from any point or angle in its expanse. Akin to architecture. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 27, 2021 19:35:04 GMT
Obi-Wan quickly learns Padmé is using herself as bait in order to catch the assassin. Clever of her and bold. Obi-Wan refuses to exceed his mandate but she is determined to get answers despite any risk.  Such dry humor, Obi-Wan. I also like how he throws his Jedi robe on the chair like someone would their old jacket at home. Question: I always thought she covered the cameras to embolden the assassin incase they had found a way to hack the camera feed. Is that what anyone else thought? |
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