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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 7, 2021 3:59:32 GMT
It was a special time. Although Mister Plinkett has probably destroyed half the toys: he's such a douchebag LOL. I don't really know what to make of that video. I love the comments, though.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 7, 2021 4:04:52 GMT
I bet some kids would think that collection was really cool. He could have given it to nephews or whatever.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 7, 2021 4:08:00 GMT
I generally hate collecting, but I wouldn't mind an entire room dedicated to Episode I merch. This post captures my soul better than a master artist at the peak of his powers.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 7, 2021 4:08:41 GMT
I bet some kids would think that collection was really cool. He could have given it to nephews or whatever. I do wonder how many he actually destroyed. It looks like a lot, but this is art, dammit! Yeah, pretty reckless, attention-grabbing behaviour, I suppose. But we've seen that from the RLM folks for a while.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 7, 2021 4:11:56 GMT
Kurt Schwitters he is not.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 7, 2021 4:18:04 GMT
Kurt Schwitters he is not. More like Andy Kaufman? I dunno. There's an element of Dadaism at work. Or culture jamming. But it's like the Sith (Plinkett/RLM) turning on the Jedi (Lucas/the PT). They think they're heroes, even when engaging in despoliation. Nice reference, though.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 7, 2021 16:18:55 GMT
Who needs RLM when there's someone of Mike Klimo's calibre writing about Star Wars?
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jun 7, 2021 18:50:35 GMT
Who needs RLM when there's someone of Mike Klimo's calibre writing about Star Wars? And Rick Worley, who made a great video about the prequels and RLM.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 7, 2021 19:29:43 GMT
The topic of the discussion in itself illustrates something strange about the prequels. The bashers couldn't exactly pinpoint what was wrong with them. The gushers are grasping at all kinds of straws.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 7, 2021 20:10:08 GMT
The topic of the discussion in itself illustrates something strange about the prequels. The bashers couldn't exactly pinpoint what was wrong with them. The gushers are grasping at all kinds of straws. Agreed. I lack the terminology to describe my own unknowingness. I was reluctant to even start the thread, even though I thought it was an excellent opportunity for a communal response. Because it reduces the sublime to the profane; even in just asking the question. There's basically no way I can see to grok the prequels or to really locate the nub of what is truly "different" about them. Yet, in the words of Luke Skywalker, "I [had] to try." Had and have. This is an open thread. The cogitation and the rumination -- however pale and inadequate -- should continue. "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."-- 1 Corinthians 13:12
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Post by Moonshield on Jun 9, 2021 8:25:46 GMT
Don´t have much to add except loving all you guys wonderful responses- Also long time no see Ings! One more thing I´d add is that the six films that George made have more in common with the Silent film and Golden Age of Hollywood than anything that has come out of the studios since the days of Brando. People are obsessed with a reductionist view of how humans behave in the real world and therefore think that anything that goes outside the Method is considered ¨bad acting¨. Heck, to this day you can find foolish people commenting that Cary Grant and John Wayne were bad actors, when in reality it shows how they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
All acting techniques are just tools to help the actor to "live" the role. Mostly, it is Stanislavsky's system, which is known worldwide since the times of Peggy Ashcroft.
Classical acting is Stanislavsky's system with variations of Michel Saint-Denis. Method acting is Stanislavsky's system with variations of Lee Strasberg, Soviet acting is pure Stanislavsky.
Besides, the mannerisms of human behaviour are different in different times and different places.
And, mostly, people don't know acting. At all. They write whatever they want about the method when in fact it isn't method.
The acting must be convincing. That's all.
I can show you an example of Soviet acting (the arrest of 3 rapists) - the actor who plays the captain is Sergey Garmash from the Moscow Art Theater, founded by Stanislavsky himself.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 9, 2021 21:26:41 GMT
Besides, the mannerisms of human behaviour are different in different times and different places. Besides, fanboys are generalising. The Prequel Trilogy's acting doesn't appear to be corrupt. Sorry. When isn't the occasion ripe for a silly prequel pun? You make an excellent point there. It reminds me of something Carl Sagan once said: "There are many different ways of being human." He actually said it a few times, but here is one of the more stirring examples of where it may be found: I think it's clear that Carl Sagan and George Lucas think along similar lines. Humans are quick to judge, yet there isn't a golden standard for how to behave, much less how to think. The diversity of art, culture, religion, philosophy, etc., incontestably proves there is more than one way to conceive of the world and go about things. Yet a lot of people (still, of course, a tiny fraction of the world's population, most of whom still live on crumbs) have spent the past twenty years, using a miracle of human consciousness and collaboration called the Internet (and adding to the world's carbon footprint as they go), to basically tell George Lucas he was wrong. But wrong about what, exactly? Cultures differ. People differ. Films differ. And films are a confluence or a manifestation of the former things. Suggesting there is an "objective" way to make (or consume) movies is a form of snobbery -- and snobbery is veiled ignorance. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with you, Moonshield, that the acting is actually more "realistic" in the PT. Prequel fan Bob Clark TFN's Jedi_Ford_Prefect) once wrote in his 10th Anniversary essay on TPM: It's an observation I've long loved. Granted, his sentence concludes: "that is absolutely drowned out by the cacophony that is Jar-Jar Binks." Of course, I don't really agree with him there. For all the value and worth he sees in TPM, Clark doesn't seem to have much regard for Jar Jar. He complains that Jar Jar is responsible for "diminishing" the other actors and making them "feel more wooden", ultimately concluding: The brilliance of TPM, and the PT generally, is how chimerical a movie-making masterpiece it is (and they are). Childish fantasy elements, lavish environments, and wide-eyed optimism occupy the same architectonic dreamspace as trade disputes, grim proselytising, and the arcane operations of a bureaucracy-dominated Galactic Senate. Despite disliking Jar Jar, Clark seems to get how stuffed and layered an experience TPM is: I recommend giving Clark's essay a read. He saw depth and beauty in the prequels when other fans were busy ritualistically bemoaning them, and doing their best to stop any thoughtful analyses from gaining ground. Anyway, Lucas' deft use of exposition and little nuggets of tactical reportage or cautioning from Qui-Gon, for example, are a good demonstration of what Clark said when I think of his "guarded, mutual realism" observation (which, as I said, I adore): "The negotiations never took place.""The situation has become much more complicated." (And how, thanks to the production techniques, Qui-Gon has the beginnings of a halo around him in that moment on Coruscant). There's also this moment where Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon share an understated "Take care while I'm gone" farewell as Qui-Gon heads out for Mos Espa: "That'll complicate things... Be wary. I sense a disturbance in the Force."It's so underplayed with that documentary brilliance that Lucas is the master of. "Don't mind all these crazy happenings. They're just happenin'." The Phantom Menace The Prequel Trilogy The Star Wars Saga They're all such beautiful things.
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Post by Pyrogenic on Jun 9, 2021 22:56:54 GMT
What makes the prequels "different"? The simple fact that they actually inspire me to compose weird posts like this: MagnaGuard 1: "Aesthetic normality cannot remain complex nor complicated within the bounds of the invisible wall that is an everlasting dependence on monotony." MagnaGuard 2: "Justifiable nuance formalizes knowledge, helping deepen realistically verifiable traditions and lore." MagnaGuard 3: "Power standards kiss the subaudition and apperception blend introduced, without warning, by meticulous displays of subterfuge and applause." MagnaGuard 4: "If another existent falsehood is ruminated upon for a decent interval, masked playfulness emerges unscathed." Obi-Wan Kenobi: "I am simultaneously every grammatical person."
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 10, 2021 0:13:12 GMT
Those MagnaGuards will be hard pressed to catch up with their leader.
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Post by Samnz on Jun 11, 2021 6:42:19 GMT
There are lot's of things that make the Prequels "different", but I agree, they are actually quite hard to grasp.
One thing might be the strange combination of cutting-edge technology (at the time) and George's rather "old-fashioned" style. The many, many great establishing shots come to mind and the clarity of the photography. The Sequels, as an example, really failed in that regard. George gave each shot space to breathe and the viewer time to sink into the depth of the shots and the worlds he created. There are also the classic wipe cuts, which became even more prominent with the Prequels.
But there is also a noticable depth to the characters. George did quite succesfully capture the subleties and irrationalities of human beings. For instance, Anakin blaming Obi-Wan all of a sudden after killing the Tusken is so much closer to reality than many people think. I've read many times how Prequels haters thought this line was out of place or whatever.... but trying to put the blame on others is the first think someone's brain does in its desire to live with burden of the crime.
There is more.
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Post by Ingram on Jun 11, 2021 7:16:30 GMT
I don't think it's at all hard to grasp what makes the Prequels different, nor grasping at straws when opining as much. I've already shared my thoughts, whose accuracy I maintain. I know I'm right. I don't get why everybody is being all circumspect about the topic. What's wrong with you guys? It's not mystical. You just look at a thing and work it out. You're all a buncha fuddy-duddy professors, that's the problem. Goddammit. Just commit. When Luke was bitching about not being able to lift the X-wing out of the swamp with his mind because it was too big and heavy, remember what Yoda said? He said: "Use the Force, stupid. That's why they call it the Force." ...or something like that. So listen to me and Yoda.
I feel better now. I'm glad we cleared this up.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 11, 2021 10:21:53 GMT
I don't think it's at all hard to grasp what makes the Prequels different, nor grasping at straws when opining as much. I've already shared my thoughts, whose accuracy I maintain. I know I'm right. I don't get why everybody is being all circumspect about the topic. What's wrong with you guys? It's not mystical. You just look at a thing and work it out. You're all a buncha fuddy-duddy professors, that's the problem. Goddammit. Just commit. When Luke was bitching about not being able to lift the X-wing out of the swamp with his mind because it was too big and heavy, remember what Yoda said? He said: "Use the Force, stupid. That's why they call it the Force." ...or something like that. So listen to me and Yoda.
I feel better now. I'm glad we cleared this up. Okay. You're right. They're different because Jar Jar sucks, the acting is cheesy, Anakin is whiny, and digital film making was new at the time and everything looked fake. That's what makes them different.
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Post by Ingram on Jun 11, 2021 10:35:36 GMT
I don't think it's at all hard to grasp what makes the Prequels different, nor grasping at straws when opining as much. I've already shared my thoughts, whose accuracy I maintain. I know I'm right. I don't get why everybody is being all circumspect about the topic. What's wrong with you guys? It's not mystical. You just look at a thing and work it out. You're all a buncha fuddy-duddy professors, that's the problem. Goddammit. Just commit. When Luke was bitching about not being able to lift the X-wing out of the swamp with his mind because it was too big and heavy, remember what Yoda said? He said: "Use the Force, stupid. That's why they call it the Force." ...or something like that. So listen to me and Yoda.
I feel better now. I'm glad we cleared this up. Okay. You're right. They're different because Jar Jar sucks, the acting is cheesy, Anakin is whiny, and digital film making was new at the time and everything looked fake. That's what makes them different. Occasionally, during work meetings, someone will turn to me to see what I have to say, and I'll respond with: "Well, guys, I heard Yoda talking about midichlorians. I've been wondering, what are midichlorians?" And the room goes quiet and everyone is feeling awkward. Everyone except me.
That is what makes the Prequels different. Fuck yeah.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 11, 2021 11:11:27 GMT
Perhaps it's not the movies that are "special", but the fans.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 11, 2021 23:16:52 GMT
There are lot's of things that make the Prequels "different", but I agree, they are actually quite hard to grasp. One thing might be the strange combination of cutting-edge technology (at the time) and George's rather "old-fashioned" style. The many, many great establishing shots come to mind and the clarity of the photography. The Sequels, as an example, really failed in that regard. George gave each shot space to breathe and the viewer time to sink into the depth of the shots and the worlds he created. There are also the classic wipe cuts, which became even more prominent with the Prequels. But there is also a noticable depth to the characters. George did quite succesfully capture the subleties and irrationalities of human beings. For instance, Anakin blaming Obi-Wan all of a sudden after killing the Tusken is so much closer to reality than many people think. I've read many times how Prequels haters thought this line was out of place or whatever.... but trying to put the blame on others is the first think someone's brain does in its desire to live with burden of the crime. There is more. I love all these paragraphs. ALL OF THEM. You see what I did there? I did a Palpatine thing. Okay, never mind... But I do. In paragraph order: - Acknowledgement of the problem Followed by tentative suggestions: - 1st concept (visual grace) - 2nd concept (character depth) Put 'em together and waddayagot? Seismic charges! A dyad in the Force! Then finally, the most humbling and zen-like of signing-offs: - "There is more." (A bit like Snoke's "There's something else"). I'm saying that's a noble capsule response -- as good as any other answer. You basically put forth the following: It's difficult. Here are some answers. But these answers are inadequate. They will always be inadequate. That's the structure. And it's a good structure. Because, shit, we're up against a GREAT MYSTERY here. The terrible fluidity of the thing. Orange goo. Jar Jar's the key to all this. What is the point in all this (if we can't blow up three tiny cruisers)?Perhaps it's not the movies that are "special", but the fans. *looks at my last few responses* Hmm, yah, I think you're onto something. Like attracts like? Fear attracts the fearful? Specialness attracts specialness? Aren't we all, in the tradition of all good art, just looking for ourselves in this thing, at bottom?
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